90% Palestinians reject Jared Kushner’s $50 Billion trash plan

[Agent47]

You can’t pretend to address Palestinians’ economic realities without an economic solution. They don’t want your roads but their land.

Main Findings:

Findings of the second quarter of 2019 show a widespread rejection of the US Administration, the “Deal of the Century,” and the Bahrain workshop: Ninety percent say that they do not believe or trust the US administration; about 80% supported the PA decision to boycott the Bahrain workshop; three quarters want the PA to reject the Trump peace plan when released; and more than three quarters believe that the US economic plan will not bring them economic prosperity. Similarly, an overwhelming majority reject the participation of Arab countries, like Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan, in the Bahrain workshop and 80% view that participation as an abandonment of the Palestinian cause.



https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/759

 

[GoodTidings]

The Palestinians have rejected EVERY peace plan ever offered to them, even when Clinton and Ehud Barak offered them 93% of what they were asking fore.

The Palestinians do not deserve a country. They elect terrorists to be their government. Israel needs to render Hamas nothing but a greasy spot on the side of road, retake Gaza and move the Pallies over to the West Bank and let them rot over there.

 

[GoodTidings]

The Palestinians are squatters on land that belongs to Israel.

 

[Reynolds]

You can’t pretend to address Palestinians’ economic realities without an economic solution. They don’t want your roads but their land.

Main Findings:

Findings of the second quarter of 2019 show a widespread rejection of the US Administration, the “Deal of the Century,” and the Bahrain workshop: Ninety percent say that they do not believe or trust the US administration; about 80% supported the PA decision to boycott the Bahrain workshop; three quarters want the PA to reject the Trump peace plan when released; and more than three quarters believe that the US economic plan will not bring them economic prosperity. Similarly, an overwhelming majority reject the participation of Arab countries, like Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan, in the Bahrain workshop and 80% view that participation as an abandonment of the Palestinian cause.



Public Opinion Poll No (72) Press-Release | PCPSR

Their land is Jordan.

 

[Revmitchell]

Here are the facts:

 

[Agent47]

Israeli Occupation won't go unpunished. How do you claim right to a place you haven't been in a thousand years? Would there be US if the inhabitants 2000 years ago claimed it and evicted the present Americans?

The saddest thing is Christians who blindly support all these attrocities. SNIP

 

[GoodTidings]

Israeli Occupation won't go unpunished.

There is no occupation. Israel's presence in the West Bank and previously in Gaza are not a "occupation" under international law. An "occupation" occurs when one country conquers another country and replaces the vanquished nation's government. Israel never conquered the Palestinians and the Palestinians have never been a country.

Israel's presence in the West Bank and Gaza were the result of a war with Jordan and Egypt called the "Six-Day War." Israel took the Gaza and West Bank in a defensive war and because they won the war, they legally kept that territory and their presence in those areas served as a military buffer to prevent Jordan and Egypt from using those areas to stage a future war. That is not an occupation. The land was not taken from the Palestinians, but from Jordan and Egypt, and Israel never occupied either country.

How do you claim right to a place you haven't been in a thousand years?

The land upon which Israel sits was purchased from Turkish land owners. It was inhospitable swamp and desert that the Jews irrigated and made usable again. The 1936 British Peel Commission Report makes that clear. Israel also purchased farm land from Arabs in the area who were unable to get much good out of their land. But Israel never evicted anyone.

Israel was granted statehood by the United Nations in 1947. The Arabs formed a six nation alliance to choke Israel out of existence one day after Israel became a nation in May of 1948. Leading up to that invasion, they called on the Arabs who had been living in what would become Israel, to move to the West Bank and Gaza so that the invading Arab armies could destroy Israel. Israel didn't evict the Palestinians. The Arabs made them refugees in a failed attempt to destroy Israel.

Would there be US if the inhabitants 2000 years ago claimed it and evicted the present Americans?

Not the same thing at all. Israel never evicted the Palestinians. It has been the Palestinians that have been calling for the destruction of the Jewish people. There are over 2 million Palestinians who enjoy full citizenship in Israel.

Jews obtained the land through legal channels. They did not make war on anyone. It was the Arabs who attacked Israel in an attempt to evict and destroy the Jews. The land Israel legally purchased, was not inhabited, so there was no one to evict. The West Bank and Gaza were under the administrative control of Jordan and Egypt, and was never Palestinian land, as there was never a Palestinian people. The term "Palestinian" didn't even exist as a name for any Arabs until Arafat coined it in 1964 with his "Palestine Liberation Organization."

The saddest thing is Christians who blindly support all these attrocities. SNIP

We don't blindly support anything. But anti-Semites pervert/rewrite history and spread a lot of false information about that conflict. The junk you posted above is really nothing but lies and misinformation. Fortunately, intelligent thinking people don't believe as you do.

 

[Agent47]

There is no occupation. Israel's presence in the West Bank and previously in Gaza are not a "occupation" under international law. An "occupation" occurs when one country conquers another country and replaces the vanquished nation's government. Israel never conquered the Palestinians and the Palestinians have never been a country.

Which law?
Quote relevant sections

 

[Agent47]

Israel never evicted the Palestinians

Read widely
Start here for the basics:
1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia

 

[Agent47]

Jews obtained the land through legal channels. They did not make war on anyone.

Which ones?

 

[Agent47]

There are over 2 million Palestinians who enjoy full citizenship in Israel.

No different from telling Native Americans to be grateful for ‘full citizenship’ over their own lands

Racists are an amazing lot. They deprive you of your rights and make a show of ceding them as if that is a gift. They want African Americans to be eternally grateful for abolition as if it were a gift.

 

[Agent47]

Palestinians have never been a country.

Palestine is a state recognized by 136 out of 193 UN Members. Racists pressure the rest members not to recognize it with threats of aid. Thank God American hegemony is diminishing by the day

 

[GoodTidings]

Which law?
Quote relevant sections

I don't need to. It has always been understood that any land gained in a defensive war becomes the property of the defending entity if they win the war. If Canada starting lobbing missiles into the US and we moved in and took the territory where those missiles were staged, that land would belong to us.

If I am wrong, prove it. Otherwise you have nothing to say.

 

[Agent47]

don't need to. It has always been understood that any land gained in a defensive war becomes the property of the defending entity if they win the war. If Canada starting lobbing missiles into the US and we moved in and took the territory where those missiles were staged, that land would belong to us.

If I am wrong, prove it. Otherwise you have nothing to say.

He who alleges proves

 

[GoodTidings]

Read widely
Start here for the basics:
1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia

Wikipedia is not a reliable source for information since anyone can go in and insert any kind of information they want to it. Wikipedia is not allowed as a source in colleges and universities due to it's high unreliability.



Even the newspapers and new sources of the time period place the blame for Palestinian refugee crisis on the Arabs at the time, not Israel.

• "Even amidst the violent attacks launched against us for months past, we call upon the sons of the Arab people dwelling in Israel to keep the peace and to play their part in building the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its institutions, provisional and permanent.

"We extend the hand of peace and good-neighborliness to all the States around us and to their people, and we call upon them to cooperate in mutual helpfulness with the independent Jewish nation in its Land. The State of Israel is prepared to make its contribution in a concerted effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East."

- David Ben-Gurion, in Israel's Proclamation of Independence, read on May 14, 1948, moments before the 6 surrounding Arab armies, trained and armed by the British, invaded the day-old Jewish microstate, with the stated goal of extermination.

• "The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, THEY ABANDONED THEM, FORCED THEM TO EMIGRATE AND TO LEAVE THEIR HOMELAND, imposed upon them a political and ideological blockade and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live in Eastern Europe, as if we were condemmed to change places with them; they moved out of their ghettos and we occupied similar ones. The Arab States succeeded in scattering the Palestinian people and in destroying their unity. They did not recognize them as a unified people until the States of the world did so, and this is regrettable".

- by Abu Mazen, from the article titled: "What We Have Learned and What We Should Do", published in Falastin el Thawra, the official journal of the PLO, of Beirut, in March 1976

• "The first group of our fifth column consists of those who abandon their houses and businesses and go to live elsewhere. . . . At the first sign of trouble they take to their heels to escape sharing the burden of struggle."

- Ash Shalab (Jaffa newspaper), January 30, 1948

• "The Arab streets are curiously deserted and, ardently following the poor example of the more moneyed class there has been an exodus from Jerusalem too, though not to the same extent as in Jaffa and Haifa."

- London Times, May 5, 1948

• "The refugees were confident that their absence would not last long, and that they would return within a week or two. Their leaders had promised them that the Arab armies would crush the 'Zionist gangs' very quickly and that there was no need for panic or fear of a long exile."

- Monsignor George Hakim, Greek Catholic Bishop of Galilee, in the Beirut newspaper Sada al Janub, August 16, 1948

 

[GoodTidings]

Which ones?

They purchased the land from the Turkish landowners who sold it to them at exorbitant rates. Again, the Peel Commission Report of 1936 bears this out.

 

[Agent47]

Wikipedia is not a reliable source for information since anyone can go in and insert any kind of information they want to it. Wikipedia is not allowed as a source in colleges and universities due to it's high unreliability.



Even the newspapers and new sources of the time period place the blame for Palestinian refugee crisis on the Arabs at the time, not Israel.

• "Even amidst the violent attacks launched against us for months past, we call upon the sons of the Arab people dwelling in Israel to keep the peace and to play their part in building the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its institutions, provisional and permanent.

"We extend the hand of peace and good-neighborliness to all the States around us and to their people, and we call upon them to cooperate in mutual helpfulness with the independent Jewish nation in its Land. The State of Israel is prepared to make its contribution in a concerted effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East."

- David Ben-Gurion, in Israel's Proclamation of Independence, read on May 14, 1948, moments before the 6 surrounding Arab armies, trained and armed by the British, invaded the day-old Jewish microstate, with the stated goal of extermination.

• "The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, THEY ABANDONED THEM, FORCED THEM TO EMIGRATE AND TO LEAVE THEIR HOMELAND, imposed upon them a political and ideological blockade and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live in Eastern Europe, as if we were condemmed to change places with them; they moved out of their ghettos and we occupied similar ones. The Arab States succeeded in scattering the Palestinian people and in destroying their unity. They did not recognize them as a unified people until the States of the world did so, and this is regrettable".

- by Abu Mazen, from the article titled: "What We Have Learned and What We Should Do", published in Falastin el Thawra, the official journal of the PLO, of Beirut, in March 1976

• "The first group of our fifth column consists of those who abandon their houses and businesses and go to live elsewhere. . . . At the first sign of trouble they take to their heels to escape sharing the burden of struggle."

- Ash Shalab (Jaffa newspaper), January 30, 1948

• "The Arab streets are curiously deserted and, ardently following the poor example of the more moneyed class there has been an exodus from Jerusalem too, though not to the same extent as in Jaffa and Haifa."

- London Times, May 5, 1948

• "The refugees were confident that their absence would not last long, and that they would return within a week or two. Their leaders had promised them that the Arab armies would crush the 'Zionist gangs' very quickly and that there was no need for panic or fear of a long exile."

- Monsignor George Hakim, Greek Catholic Bishop of Galilee, in the Beirut newspaper Sada al Janub, August 16, 1948

I told you that’s a starting point. Hundreds of thousands of Arabs were displaced for Israel nation to be formed. After the formation Israel encroached into 60% of lands allocated to Arabs.

Israel is Sodom and Egypt combined

 

[GoodTidings]

No different from telling Native Americans to be grateful for ‘full citizenship’ over their own lands

Racists are an amazing lot. They deprive you of your rights and make a show of ceding them as if that is a gift. They want African Americans to be eternally grateful for abolition as if it were a gift.

It is entirely different. Palestinians were never deprived of their rights by Israel. The only racist in this conversation is Jew haters like you. Hitler would be so proud of you.

 

[Agent47]

It is entirely different. Palestinians were never deprived of their rights by Israel. The only racist in this conversation is Jew haters like you. Hitler would be so proud of you.

Hitler’s moral compass exceed that of some racists I have come across here who cheer genocide while pretending to worship their god

 

[GoodTidings]

I’m not here to educate ignoramuses. I told you that’s a starting point. Hundreds of thousands of Arabs were displaced for Israel nation to be formed. After the formation Israel encroached into 60% of lands allocated to Arabs.

Israel is Sodom and Egypt combined

I showed you from the historical sources of the time period that your claim is not true. Wikipedia is wrong, sorry. I will stick to real history and not the lies and history revisionism that Jew haters like you prefer.