95% of European Covid-19 deaths are people over 60

[Gold Dragon]

No, that doesn't square with what has been reported, what you have posted.

COVID-19 deaths are not happening due to hospital incapacity. Deaths are happening due to already compromised health in those contracting it. In fact, the death rate for these individuals is very high.

Perhaps you were being hyperbolic to scare people into listening to you?

When health systems are not overwhelmed, the CFR or case fataility rate is usually around 1% for most countries and is mostly in the elderly with medical issues. There are still younger or healthier patients who also die, but at a much lower rate.

However, once hospitals get overwhelmed as is the case in NY hospitals struggle to deliver basic care and CFR increases as it does in other countries where hospitals are getting overwhelmed

If you look at the CFR in the USA before March 24 it was staying steady around 1.3% (prior to March 20 it was trending down as testing was increasing). But when NY hospitals started getting overwhelmed from around March 25, you see CFR increasing and now is up to 2.57.

 

[Gold Dragon]

I think I rather like this comment, as a large percentage on this board are over 60. However, some of them, maybe most of them, take issue with you. So you may want to rethink your statement, assuming you actually believe it.

What have I said on this forum that is inconsistent with valuing people over the age of 60 and trying to keep them from dying of covid19?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

...However, once hospitals get overwhelmed as is the case in NY hospitals struggle to deliver basic care and CFR increases as it does in other countries where hospitals are getting overwhelmed

If you look at the CFR in the USA before March 24 it was staying steady around 1.3% (prior to March 20 it was trending down as testing was increasing). But when NY hospitals started getting overwhelmed from around March 25, you see CFR increasing and now is up to 2.57.

With the governor stockpiling and warehousing equipment instead of distributing it. And after they defiantly "hugged Chinese," etc. Oh, and aren't they the ones releasing prisoners due to COVID-19? Did they properly screen them first?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

What have I said on this forum that is inconsistent with valuing people over the age of 60 and trying to keep them from dying of covid19?

And older folks bring lots of value to our societies of wisdom, lost history, care for young ones, values, family heritage. And we should not be sacrificing them so that our porfolios and bank accounts will look better, right?

I think I rather like this comment, as a large percentage on this board are over 60. However, some of them, maybe most of them, take issue with you. So you may want to rethink your statement, assuming you actually believe it.

I only referred to the statement, and was mostly referring to the wisdom, history, and values part, as you seem to reject a large part of that here. The point is that it is all selective, not an all-encompassing embrace.

 

[Gold Dragon]

I only referred to the statement, and was mostly referring to the wisdom, history, and values part, as you seem to reject a large part of that here. The point is that it is all selective, not an all-encompassing embrace.

I have great respect for wisdom, history and Godly values when others show that here, no matter the age of the poster which I never actually know.

I give true information to the best of my medical understanding in all my dealings I have here. I provide scientific data backed by published papers. I explain my reasoning with evidence. I confront and oppose misinformation.

But because the data doesn’t fit the narratives many of you are being inundated with by politically motivated sources, my words are rejected and I get mocked and ridiculed. I’m used to that around here so I ignore it and keep at trying to promote truth and evidence based information in this time of crisis and rampant misinformation.

We are in a global war here with covid19. A common enemy that every person on this planet is trying to survive against physically, financially, emotionally. We have a God that the world needs to hear about in its hour of need. If that can’t get you guys to put down your political swords and work together ... it really saddens me.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I have great respect for wisdom, history and Godly values when others show that here, no matter the age of the poster which I never actually know.

I give true information to the best of my medical understanding in all my dealings I have here. I provide scientific data backed by published papers. I explain my reasoning with evidence. I confront and oppose misinformation.

But because the data doesn’t fit the narratives many of you are being inundated with by politically motivated sources, my words are rejected and I get mocked and ridiculed. I’m used to that around here so I ignore it and keep at trying to promote truth and evidence based information in this time of crisis and rampant misinformation.

We are in a global war here with covid19. A common enemy that every person on this planet is trying to survive against physically, financially, emotionally. We have a God that the world needs to hear about in its hour of need. If that can’t get you guys to put down your political swords and work together ... it really saddens me.

Part of the problem is past flare-ups. I don't doubt your sincerity. But you have your perspective and everyone else has their own. A certain skepticism is involved on all sides, and that will not easily go away, and maybe shouldn't.

There is much more to all of this than the scant medical data being provided thus far. The Communist Chinese lied from the outset and have not let up. Never forget that, as it can hardly be over emphasized. It is their scorpion nature.

It's practically impossible to separate the battle with COVID-19 from the political influences seeking to take advantage of it, the MSM especially, but not only.

And this is not simply a common battle, as countries and states and communities are vying for supplies, while many entities are seeking to benefit financially (and politically) from that.

So your sad accusation against a few here amounts to a lie that ignores these realities.

 

[Use of Time]

With the governor stockpiling and warehousing equipment instead of distributing it. And after they defiantly "hugged Chinese," etc. Oh, and aren't they the ones releasing prisoners due to COVID-19? Did they properly screen them first?

Ahem. After Kushner says 'it's our stockpile,' HHS website changed to echo his comments on federal crisis role

Some real good optics here. Trump should get rid of this clown.

 

[Wingman68]

Ahem. After Kushner says 'it's our stockpile,' HHS website changed to echo his comments on federal crisis role

Some real good optics here. Trump should get rid of this clown.

You know nothing, & reiterate it every time you find it necessary to post here. You never contribute a positive except in a backhanded way. Useless.

 

[Use of Time]

You know nothing, & reiterate it every time you find it necessary to post here. You never contribute a positive except in a backhanded way. Useless.

Truth hurts those that don’t actively seek it. You sure have no problem slamming those in your political crosshairs. You are all about exposing the corruption of the government...except when a story comes up that hurts your team. This is how you lose credibility.

 

[Wingman68]

Truth hurts those that don’t actively seek it. You sure have no problem slamming those in your political crosshairs. You are all about exposing the corruption of the government...except when a story comes up that hurts your team. This is how you lose credibility.

Whatever you say, talk to the wall. I don’t see anything that hurts my team happening. ‘My team’ is letting your team expose themselves, & they are. I believe there are greater things happening under this cloak of darkness. When the cloak is finally lifted, we will see. I’m rooting for the white hats. Don’t bother to tell me white hats are just another conspiracy theory. Talk to the wall. I really hate to think we, as Christians, are on opposite sides. That is quite troubling. Both can’t be right, eh?!

 

[Use of Time]

Whatever you say, talk to the wall. I don’t see anything that hurts my team happening. ‘My team’ is letting your team expose themselves, & they are. I believe there are greater things happening under this cloak of darkness. When the cloak is finally lifted, we will see. I’m rooting for the white hats. Don’t bother to tell me white hats are just another conspiracy theory. Talk to the wall. I really hate to think we, as Christians, are on opposite sides. That is quite troubling. Both can’t be right, eh?!

You responded to me posting that article with nothing but ad homs because we both know that you aren’t going to touch that article with a ten foot pole. You know it looks bad. You simply can’t bring yourself to swallow your pride and admit it. You are right though. It truly is like talking to a wall.

You can sling it but can’t take it.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Ahem. After Kushner says 'it's our stockpile,' HHS website changed to echo his comments on federal crisis role

Some real good optics here. Trump should get rid of this clown.

Besides being more garbled garbage news, that barely tangentially relates to my post; it in no way addresses it.

For example, according to headlines, New York was in crisis while Cuomo was stockpiling and warehousing. Either there was no real crisis, or Cuomo was withholding needed supplies and equipment.

 

[Use of Time]

Besides being more garbled garbage news, that barely tangentially relates to my post; it in no way addresses it.

For example, according to headlines, New York was in crisis while Cuomo was stockpiling and warehousing. Either there was no real crisis, or Cuomo was withholding needed supplies and equipment.

Man, everybody’s ducking this one today.

 

[Roy]

Man, everybody’s ducking this one today.

That article looked like tit for tat. Maybe Kushner put his foot in his mouth. Even if so, it wasn't newsworthy.

 

[church mouse guy]

That article looked like tit for tat. Maybe Kushner put his foot in his mouth. Even if so, it wasn't newsworthy.

He spoke informally and everyone knows it. The press is desperate. He was drawing a distinction between federal and state resources. Kushner is a nice guy and smart but his family's real estate holdings are heavily mortgaged. The Democrats think that there is a lot of money in real estate but I worked 10 years in Indianapolis commercial real estate and I can tell you that there is no money there.

After this current collapse, the bankers and other rich will be buying property for pennies on the dollar, which is why they want a long, long shutdown.

 

[Use of Time]

Going so far as to change the website is a little creepy to me. Goes a little past putting his foot in his mouth.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Man, everybody’s ducking this one today.

Uh, you ducked first with the non sequitur. But I'll bite anyway and play the game. So, your turn.

The Dems developed an elaborate scheme rewriting whistleblower requirements to orchestrate a most subversive attack on Trump using a newly qualified "whistleblower," waffling from insisting he must officially testify to insisting he never be questioned, all for the purpose of trumping up a completely partisan impeachment and trial, preceded by a completely partisan investigation launched by an entirely fabricated account of a phone call that otherwise merited little attention. Go ahead and defend all of that, and then we can compare notes here.

 

[Use of Time]

Uh, you ducked first with the non sequitur. But I'll bite anyway and play the game. So, your turn.

The Dems developed an elaborate scheme rewriting whistleblower requirements to orchestrate a most subversive attack on Trump using a newly qualified "whistleblower," waffling from insisting he must officially testify to insisting he never be questioned, all for the purpose of trumping up a completely partisan impeachment and trial, preceded by a completely partisan investigation launched by an entirely fabricated account of a phone call that otherwise merited little attention. Go ahead and defend all of that, and then we can compare notes here.

Why would I defend that. The Dems were annoying and petty during the impeachment trial. I knew it wouldn’t work and it would go nowhere and it didn’t. They’ll probably pay for it at the polls.

I’m not a democrat so I don’t know what you were trying to accomplish with that. If that is your way of ducking the comment again good job I guess? At least mine was topical to the current crisis.

I’m just saying that if you are going to be all “government watch dog” about all this ya gotta call it both ways or else you have no credibility. You’re misguided attempt at deflection is very telling about your true motives and how little you care about actual corruption. It’s just your endless game of watching the partisan scoreboard. Tribalism are it’s finest.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Why would I defend that. The Dems were annoying and petty during the impeachment trial. I knew it wouldn’t work and it would go nowhere and it didn’t. They’ll probably pay for it at the polls.

So, you are finally admitting to the realities of the "deep state" and its conspiracies? If so, welcome to the real world.

 

[Use of Time]

So, you are finally admitting to the realities of the "deep state" and its conspiracies? If so, welcome to the real world.

I’ll be here waiting for you in the real world when you realize the “deep state” works both ways.