99.9% of all Catholics Going to Hell

New research just concluded:

87.235% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

 

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Praying For A Miracle

DHK

 

DHK, I'm surprised at you.

Don't you know there is only one God? </font>[/QUOTE]Perhaps your right. The Crees claim it is theirs. Do you worship their god? Or is it Allah?

 

Thanks DHK for reminding me of the needs of the Oblate Fathers in Canada and the hardships they are going through. I will send them a donation.

God Bless

 

In looking to find where to send my donation to the Oblate Fathers, I came across this about the blessing of the lake.


http://www.peace.mb.ca/00.Native/nlrnz07.htm

Personally, I would love to hear these people sing "Rock of Ages" in Ojibway, processioning and bearing an outstreached bible and a towering crucifix with Jesus Christ portrayed as an Indian, with their drums in the backround singing praises to Jesus Christ.

Should "Rock of Ages" only be sung in English? How about an Ojibway Bible?__Is that OK? Can they sing praises to Jesus to a drum beat? I don't see any chicken sacrifice going on.


God Bless

 

They are not singing to the Jesus Christ that I know. They have adapted Jesus to their religion. They are still worshipping the god of their ancestors.

It is a syncrestic religion: a union between Catholicism and the aboriginal religions. It is not Christianity, even if the name of Christ is used and some of those old hymns are sung. Christianized paganism is still paganism.
DHK

 

It is a syncrestic religion: a union between Catholicism and the aboriginal religions. It is not Christianity, even if the name of Christ is used and some of those old hymns are sung. Christianized paganism is still paganism.
DHK

Your article doesn't say that. It says they sing praise to Jesus Christ to a chant their ancestors used. So, the beat is to drums and the rythmn of chant. The praise is to Jesus Christ.

God Bless

 

DHK:
Do you think native populations all over the world should be only read the KJV in old english, and not compose songs and music in their native culture to praise Jesus Christ. Do you think there is anything written in the Bible about this?

God Bless

 

Here is another part of the pilgrimage by the Oblates that seems to be God's work here:

God Bless

 

No, I know of a Hindu who accepted a picture of Jesus from a well-meaning Christian. He promptly took it home, hung it on his wall along with his other gods, and bowed down and worshipped it. To him it just one of many gods. Idolatry is still idolatry.
DHK

 

I suppose if this same Hindu man you know had said the "Sinners Prayer" here on Baptist Board he could still have continued to also worship his other gods.

However, if he had a good Oblate Father as a pastor he could have been instructed in his new faith in Jesus Christ and all Jesus taught and commanded and not have had other gods. It sounds like these Oblates are doing their job.

God Bless

 

DHK: Your concerns about the First Nation tribes and Catholicism are addressed here:

http://www.peace.mb.ca/00.Native/nlrnz05.htm

How do you bring the gospel to these people? Have you done better than these Black Robes, Oblates and Jesuits, many who over history have been martyred to bring the faith to the Indians?

God Bless

 

OK, Kathryn, Let’s look at this somewhat objectively. What are some of the beliefs of the First Nations, the aboriginal people of North America? From the following poem you can ascertain much of their theology:

Translation from Mohawk by Chief Jake Swamp
http://peaceandharmony.org/Quotes,%20Art,%20Poetry/nativespirit.htm

The Grandmother Moon, the Great Spirit, The Elder Brother Sun, the Mother Earth, the Grandfather Thunder, etc., are the gods that are worshipped. Does this sound familiar to Christianity? It doesn’t to me.

Now consider what the Methodist Church is doing:

Spirituality is the key word nowadays. The United Methodist Church wants to recognize the spiritual features of the aboriginals. They don’t want to call it for what it is: a pagan religion. Like the Roman Catholics elsewhere, they want to be syncrestic, and recognize what is good in both religions. Let me remind you there is nothing good in paganism.

Now look more realistic at the situation at Lac Ste. Anne. Please remember that I live fairly close to this situation, and get much more information then you can gather on the web. I also can see it first hand. It is a media-saturated event every year.
1. The Lake had magical powers (from the devil), as it was so named, hundreds of years before the white man ever came. The healing or so-called cures were demonic in nature.
2. Along come the Catholics and sense how special this place is. They even name it after the grandmother of Jesus (sic).
3. Now the priest there throws some magical water on the magical lake, says some magical words, so that the aboriginals continue to receive their magical cures. Now the lake has been twice blessed by the devil—once by the pagans, and once by the civilized pagans (John 8:44).
4. Consider all the superstition involved, as well as all the demonic activity. The lake was named Spirit Lake or Devil Lake. It could have been named “Stormy Lake,” but no, it was named after an evil spirit. Consider the superstition involved in the Catholic blessing the lake by sprinkling it with water, believing that their blessing will continue to bring magical power to the lake to cure people. What Catholic superstition is this? Do you have a Biblical basis for this?
5. Consider that most of the people there are aboriginal, and come there to be healed by waters which they “know” have had “healing” powers for centuries. They have not intention of following the Catholic faith.
6. Most sites that describe Lac Ste Anne on the internet are put up by Catholics, because the shrine is a Catholic Shrine. Most natives live in poverty on nearby reservations, and can’t afford to put up their own website about Lac Ste Anne. Consequently almost all of which you find on the net is from Catholic sources. Therefore what you read is quite biased.
If you want to find out what natives believe type in “native spirituality” into a search engine, and see what you find. It is a combination of Wicca, New Age, Paganism, and the dark side of life. The culture of the Aboriginal people is closely interwoven with their religion. I will give you one example and then leave it at that. The sweat lodge is part of their culture. It is also part of their religion. You can’t leave culture out of religion.
DHK

 

DHK:

You consider Catholics pagan, so you are not going to consider the Native American Catholics in Canada Christians. That is a given. There are no altar calls, and no KJV of the Bible in Old English.

Most Native American Indians are not Catholic, but pagan. This does not make Native American Catholics pagan. Posting pagan Native American websites shows me nothing about what the Oblates are teaching Catholics. I was taught by Oblates myself and know about much of their work around the world.

Many of these Oblates, Jesuits and Franciscan fathers have been martryed bringing the Catholic faith to Canada. Someday I would like to see this pilgrimage myself. Renewing baptisimal promises is a beautiful thing.

God Bless

 

For a Catholic to renew his faith in baptismal waters is one thing. He is simply renewing his own faith. For an aboriginal who prays to the gods of nature--the sun, moon, earth, etc., to renew his pagan faith by the same waters of baptism by a priest is ludicrous.
But then, yes, you are right. I believe that both systems of religion are false.
DHK

 

DHK:

I see the Great Commission of Jesus Christ in the work of these Oblates with the Canadian Indians. The Oblates don't hit and run. They stay, baptize and teach for hundreds of years now many having been martyred by the Indians.

How do the Independent Baptist ministers carry out this commission? Who has this Great Commission today with the Canadian Indians?

How do these Baptist missionaries handle removing the "Native American culture" from these new Christians in Canada?

Where do these Independent Native American Baptists go to Church?

Do you have any idea how many of these Independent Baptist Indian churches are in your area?

Are they staffed with any Native American Baptist pastors? Any websites I can look at? How long has this work been going on?


God Bless

 

So it's a matter of guilt by association then?

The priest blesses the water so that faithful Catholics can renew their faith,...

and when an aboriginal enters the water the Church suddenly becomes pagan?

Isn't it a pulic lake, DHK?

Should the priest get a stick and scare them all away?

I'm beginning to get an uneasy feeling about what your attitude may be towards your local aboriginals.

 

DHK: You criticize the work of the Oblate fathers who have committed their lives to these people, and in many cases given their lives as martyrs to the faith. Yet, they are the ones carrying out the Great Commission to go out to all nations, to baptize and teach them to observe all Jesus has commanded.

From what I can see on the internet, these are the men who have brought the Christian faith to many Indians in Canada. The Evangelical witness is lacking.


From a Baptist website:

The Oblate, Jesuits, and Franciscans have responded to the call of God and have given their lives as martyrs for the faith. They baptized and taught the Indians to observe all Jesus commanded. Some have responded, some have not. Some Indians are Christian now, and many are not.

Just because you don’t consider Catholics Christian does not mean the Great Commission of Jesus Christ has not been carried out the last 2000 years all over the world.

Your belief system necessitates calling these Indian men pagans because they have an Indian culture and are Catholic. You have a lot of work up there. Why don’t your stop criticizing the Oblates and go out and baptize and teach the people to observe all Jesus has commanded? Isn’t that what a pastor is to do? Feed my sheep. Feed my lambs. Feed my sheep.

God Bless

 

Why wouldn' John the Baptist baptize the Pharisees?
--Answer: There was no repentance; no change of attitude toward God.

Would Paul baptize the heathen Greeks in Athens or Corinth?
--Answer: Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Then he took them to their house and they were baptized.
Heathens were never baptized.

I suppose it is only the practice of the Catholic Church to baptize unrepentant heathens who have no desire or reason to become part of the Catholic Church, or want anything to do with Christianity at all??
DHK

 

I see the Great Commission of Jesus Christ in the work of these Oblates with the Canadian Indians. The Oblates don't hit and run. They stay, baptize and teach for hundreds of years now many having been martyred by the Indians.

How do the Independent Baptist ministers carry out this commission? Who has this Great Commission today with the Canadian Indians?

How do these Baptist missionaries handle removing the "Native American culture" from these new Christians in Canada?

Where do these Independent Native American Baptists go to Church?

Do you have any idea how many of these Independent Baptist Indian churches are in your area?

Are they staffed with any Native American Baptist pastors? Any websites I can look at? How long has this work been going on?


God Bless </font>[/QUOTE]Yes, we have some members of our church working on the Paul Band Reserve, an Indian Reserve of Crees. There have been many that have trusted Jesus Christ as their Saviour. They have realized that the blood of Jesus Christ atones for their sins, not the waters of baptism. There has been a local church established. The gospel continues to be preached, and souls continue to be saved, and added unto the church. We have a fruitful work. These aboriginal people are not only led to Christ, but they are discipled. We have a couple, members of our church, that have been living among the Crees for the last 20 years and have had a very prosperous ministry there.
What do the Independent Baptist Churches do? They go there. Live there. Win them to Christ. Baptize them. Organize a local church. Continue to teach and preach the Word of God, and disciple them. That is far more than sprinkling "magic" water on their heads such as priests have been doing throughout the centuries.
DHK