A better English Bible.

[Silverhair]

Why? I have used Bibles based on Nestle/Alands Greek Text most of my life. I have found it much better to also include Textus Receptus and Majority Text Bibles as well. That’s more of an open mind to me.

When you add "I suppose that is ok, especially for new believers" then it sounds rather arrogant.

You can use any Bible you want no matter where you are at.

You should decide. Perhaps you can consult with people you trust if need be.


Here I believe 37818 can be a big help. We can at least consider them whether we come to any conclusions or not. To learn we must practice.

As I have said before I have been studying the bible for over sixty years and I use various biblical texts in doing so. What I find is that some people get so caught up in looking for the prefect text that they forget why we have God's word in the first place.

What matters is people can understand that salvation is through faith in the risen Christ. I just leave the nit picking to the "pointy headed scholars" or those that just like to dig into those things like @37818.

Millions of people have come to trust in God even with all those "inferior" bible we have had to use over the years.

 

[37818]

The premise that the Byzantine text is the best. It could be and it is the best for those that think it is the best others do not.

LOL. All the texts are the same between their variants.

The best Bible translation as the one that changes God’s words the least in the translation process. But as before who is to make that decision.

Which reading the least? The 99.5% agreement with the known 100% Or rare reading which only agrees with 0.5% of the 100%?

 

[Silverhair]

LOL. All the texts are the same between their variants.

Which reading the least? The 99.5% agreement with the known 100% Or rare reading which only agrees with 0.5% of the 100%?

LOL. All the texts are the same between their variants.

Which reading the least? The 99.5% agreement with the known 100% Or rare reading which only agrees with 0.5% of the 100%?

William D Mounce writes the following about the Greek words in the New Testament:

There are 5,437 different words in the New Testament. They occur a total of 138,162 times. But there are only 319 words (5.8% of the total number) that occur 50 times or more . . . These 319 words account for 110,425 word occurrences, or 79.92% of the total word count, almost four out of five.[1]

David M. Steimle writes this about the Greek New Testament,

NT has only 138,162 words drawn from 5,437 words.[2]

Each book of the New Testament has some unique Greek words that the Holy Spirit used in order to teach important truths, but the book of Hebrews has the largest number at 154.[3]

Conclusion:
We thank our God that the New Testament was written mainly in the Greek language because of the wide range of words the Holy Spirit could use to teach us truth.

How many words are in the Greek New Testament? | NeverThirsty

When you look at the variants in the Greek text would they cause one to question their faith when considered in the overall context of the NT? That is what you have to look at, you may not agree with how the scholars translated the Greek but do you think they were not aware of the truths of the word of God?

I know from other threads that you champion the F35 family but not all scholars agree with Pickering's ideas do they.

 

[37818]

William D Mounce writes the following about the Greek words in the New Testament:

There are 5,437 different words in the New Testament. They occur a total of 138,162 times. But there are only 319 words (5.8% of the total number) that occur 50 times or more . . . These 319 words account for 110,425 word occurrences, or 79.92% of the total word count, almost four out of five.[1]

David M. Steimle writes this about the Greek New Testament,

NT has only 138,162 words drawn from 5,437 words.[2]

Each book of the New Testament has some unique Greek words that the Holy Spirit used in order to teach important truths, but the book of Hebrews has the largest number at 154.[3]

Conclusion:
We thank our God that the New Testament was written mainly in the Greek language because of the wide range of words the Holy Spirit could use to teach us truth.

How many words are in the Greek New Testament? | NeverThirsty

When you look at the variants in the Greek text would they cause one to question their faith when considered in the overall context of the NT? That is what you have to look at, you may not agree with how the scholars translated the Greek but do you think they were not aware of the truths of the word of God?

I know from other threads that you champion the F35 family but not all scholars agree with Pickering's ideas do they.

In any case. The identity of the original NT text is the issue. Without a doubt the text between variants is that text. And it is the text found in 100% of the NT manuscripts. Do you understand this? The objective are to eliminate the variants. Either you are part of this task or against its accomplishment.

 

[37818]

I know from other threads that you champion the F35 family but not all scholars agree with Pickering's ideas do they.

Once a correct reading of the New Testament text is correctly identified, that correct reading is Family 35!

 

[Deacon]

Without a doubt the text between variants is that text.

A tautology, — the problem then becomes, where are the variants?

Either you are part of this task or against its accomplishment.

…or (like most of us) we are not adequately educated to make these decisions and therefore unqualified. We can simply follow the experts and share our OPINIONS.

If you don’t have the proper educational background, you are merely blowing smoke.

Rob

 

[37818]

A tautology, — the problem then becomes, where are the variants?

…or (like most of us) we are not adequately educated to make these decisions and therefore unqualified. We can simply follow the experts and share our OPINIONS.

If you don’t have the proper educational background, you are merely blowing smoke.

Rob

There is a common New Testament text between identified variants. So long as a reading is in dispute it remains a variant.

 

[37818]

 

[37818]

 

[Silverhair]

Once a correct reading of the New Testament text is correctly identified, that correct reading is Family 35!

And there you show your bias.Since the F 35 had been made the gold standard you will continue to see the disputes. We do not have the autographs so no we do not know what they said. And as you said we have variants.

 

[Conan]

A tautology, — the problem then becomes, where are the variants?

…or (like most of us) we are not adequately educated to make these decisions and therefore unqualified. We can simply follow the experts and share our OPINIONS.

Hello Deacon. Did you happen to see post #114 by 37818?

If you don’t have the proper educational background, you are merely blowing smoke.

Rob

Some textual critics are self taught. Look at all the ones that do have degrees but are wrong. Look in the past and see the giants in TC who happen to be wrong or made mistakes. They are only human after all.

 

[37818]

We do not have the autographs so no we do not know what they said.

False. Without a texts common text, no book of the New Testament would have an identity.

 

[Silverhair]

False. Without a texts common text, no book of the New Testament would have an identity.

Do you know what the autographs said or perhaps you have the autographs hidden away somewhere.

You have been arguing over how many words.

NT has only 138,162 words drawn from 5,437 Greek words. Do the math 37.

We have gone over this on a number of threads and gotten no further so I will leave you to preach to others.

 

[37818]

The RP reading | F35 reading

 

[37818]

You have been arguing over how many words.

You imagine.

 

[Deacon]

Have you read the link of Post #114? If you do. What do you think you disagree with?

Unless someone adds a comment or summarizes the ideas they linking to, I usually ignore a link or video.
I don’t want to waste 5 to 20 minutes on generalized propaganda (we get enough of that here).

37818 has a bad habit of just posting videos without commentary. I can surf the web myself.

So no, I didn’t read the link.

Rob

 

[37818]

Unless someone adds a comment or summarizes the ideas they linking to, I usually ignore a link or video.
I don’t want to waste 5 to 20 minutes on generalized propaganda (we get enough of that here).

37818 has a bad habit of just posting videos without commentary. I can surf the web myself.

So no, I didn’t read the link.

Rob

The link on Post #114 is what it said it was. Text-Critical English New Testament INTRODUCTION.

Skip the videos.

 

[37818]

The common New Testament Greek texts are the same - less their variants.

 

[37818]

Luke 3:23,
Heli ¦ Eli NA PCK SBL ST TH

Heli [40%]¦ Eli NA PCK SBL ST TH [60%]

Heli BYZ CT TR

 

[Deacon]

Luke 3:23,
Heli ¦ Eli NA PCK SBL ST TH

Heli [40%]¦ Eli NA PCK SBL ST TH [60%]

Heli BYZ CT TR

cryptic

Jesus himself, ghorgh ghaH taghta' Daq ghojmoH, ghaHta' about wejmaH DISmey qan, taH the puqloD (as ghaHta' supposed) the puqloD vo' Joseph, the puqloD vo' Heli,
Luke 3:23 Klingon Language Version (Byzantine Textform)

Reference: Text-Critical English New Testament INTRODUCTION

Introduction to the NEW TESTAMENT, Byzantine Text Version, translated by Robert Adam Boyd (2021)
"The Byzantine Text Version is a trademark of Robert Adam Boyd.
If you adapt, transform, or in any other way change the translation or footnotes, you may not call it Byzantine Text Version".