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Interlinear Greek to English:
When I gave you these links.....they are coming directly from the greek, they are not using a tool link an interlinear and giving it a guess....
You are not addressing the third message and the greek teaching offered, you are not addressing Eadie here-
Eadie writes that the...
the literal meaning of the participle (is) “having put off the old man with his deeds.”...
The putting off of the old man, as described by the aorist, cannot be contemporary with the foregoing imperatives, but it precedes them (eg, do not lie).
It is a process consummated...These participles (eg "having put off...") are not to be taken in the sense of imperatives,
Do you understand this?
as the first class of expositors virtually regards them, but they unfold a reason why the sins condemned should be uniformly abstained from. Lie not one to another,
as being persons who have put off the old man;
or, as the participle has often a causal sense (See Johnson's note below)—since ye have put off the old man with his deeds. De Wette says that such an argument is superfluous, but surely the paragraph may conclude as it began, with an argument. The first argument is, ye are dead; and the second contains one of the results of that spiritual death with Christ.
“Since ye have put off the old man with his deeds” The expressive personality—“old man”—has been explained under Eph 4:22-note. It is a bold personification of our first nature as derived from Adam, the source and seat of original and actual transgression, and called “old,” as existing prior to our converted state. This ethical person is to be put off from us as one puts off clothes, and with all his deeds—all the practices which characterized him, and the sins to which he excited
That is, don't falsify or lie to one another by the slipping out of the old human together to practice of the same.
And in-slipping the young one that is the new man the one being up newed that is the renewed man into knowledge that is spiritual knowledge of the one creating same. So we are to put off the old man and foloow after the new man.
We have died to the domination of the old and our eternal life is hid in the Anointed one who is the God.
This interlinear you are using is not like most others....these converets were instructed that the new man lives in contrast to the way the old unconverted man used to live. These thoughts and former ways of life were to be abandoned.....
Paul declares that we have be freed from the domination of the Old sin nature we are dead to it dominating our lives and we are hid with Crist the anointed of God.
Sins reign is over.
We are to place the old man that is the old behavior of the old human which come from the temptations out of our lives.
The old man has been crucified with Christ.....it does not spring back to life.we are not an old man and a new man...that is false.
We as Christians are not to allow the temptation from the old human the old sin nature out of our lives, in that
This is what I posted about before...you are conflating the terms and confusing yourself.
We are to bring forth the new man into our spiritually renewed mind.
he is there by the Spirit giving us a new heart.
Knowing that the old human that is the old sin nature, was impaled or Crucified with Christ is no longer holding us as slaves.
here you are getting at the truth....but the terminology is going to betray you.
Rom 6 speaks of a completed action...
What was crucified with Christ, the Domination of that old sin nature.
That is not what the text says....let me refresh your memory.
6 Knowing this,
that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Was it the sin nature itself, not according to Paul in the Greek language it is clearly state that the old of us was held in slavery and that slavery to sin is no more, the unbeliever is a slave to sin, the believer is no longer enslaved but free from its domination. Those who are justified from sin have died with the anointed through believing and therefore we live with Him
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The old man , the old self was crucified.....the language you are using is confusing you
Nothing about not having a sin nature is seen here, what is seen is that slavery to it was put to death for the believer. That we are no longer dominated by the power of that sin nature because we are now new creatures, spiritually born, but Paul made it clear too that in him dwelleth no good thing that is in his flesh.
same thing here.
Therefore Paul states in
There is a battle going on, the old nature wants control back it lust for control while the Spirit fights against the flesh that is the old nature to hold control in us. What happens we must choose to allow one or the other to dominate our lives each day. Paul therefore tells us to "Walk in Spirit." To make a conscious choice to keep on walking in the Spirit.
No.....we are to mortify remaining sin...it is not for us to allow anything.
Paul through out scripture makes it clear we must choose as believers who we will follow the Holy Spirit or the sin nature that is in us that is our flesh.
Paul makes it clear we are spiritual, under the dominion of the Spirit...
the unsaved are under the domino of the flesh.
The beliver who chooses to allow the old nature, the flesh the sakikos or sarkikon to dominate his life is carnal and is following the lust of the flesh!
No....anyone ,dominated by the flesh is carnal in the heart and unsaved...romans 8 is clear, you miss it and refuse to listen to the truth on it.
Scripture is very clear. The new man in us that is the spiritual man who is born at salvation doesn't commit sin,
You totally miss 1jn 3:9.....it means to practice...but you refuse to listen to the messages that would help you hear the truth.
the old fleshly man that is the old sin nature brings temptation and we must fight a daily battle on whom we will serve God or sin.
Nope....this is false higher life teachings...Christians do not serve sin.
That is daily the Carnal Corinthians were choosing daily to allow the old sin nature to dominate them, Paul cleared that issue up for them.
Nonsense....but you do not want to listen.....so
