A different Gospel? or not?

I agree with Trialblazer and OldRegulare about the gospel.

Jesus Christ preached the gospel same as Apostle Paul preached.

I am sure, that some disps saying of that passage that Christ told to his disciples to preach to the house of Israel, not spread to others(Gentiles), shows it is different gospel.

Understand, Christ gave chance to Jews of Israel as nation to repent and salvation while He was on earth for 3 years of ministry. MOst Jews include Pharisees were heart hardened. So, Christ told them, kingdom being take away from them, and give it to other nation(Gentiles).

So, the time comes to arrived when after Christ is glorified after his resurrection, He told to his disciples, go and preach to ALL nations - Matt. 28:19-20; Mark 16:15; Luke 24:47; & Acts 1:8. Gospel is not limited for Jews of Israel, also, it is everyone over all the world since Christ's resurrection, the plan of the salvation never change, remain the same, and will be continue through many tribulations, even include great tribulation till the end of the age come.

I agree with Trialblazer on Luke 17:26-30 & Matt. 24:37.

Christ tells us, flood came and destroyed the world, so, it shall be same at Christ's coming to take all unbelievers away into everlasting punishment.

Matt. 13:28-30, 38-43 tell us, both believers and unbelievers are growing together over the world right now, as the world population is now 6.3 billions and counting... unbelievers shall not be removed from believers TILL when Christ shall come with his angels, then all unbelievers shall be removed from believers, cast them away into fire.

The context of Matthew chapter 13, 24, & 25 say nothing about 'a thousand years'. Christ teaches us, when He shall come again, all unbelievers shall be cast away into fire at once. Very simple and plain.

Also, the salvation of John 3:3 always apply to us all over the world, this is the same gospel, as Christ preached to the Pharisee.

Christ preached the gospel of the kingdom while he was on earth for 3 years, this is the same gospel as Apostle Paul preached.

Also, John 3:16 is the very same gospel for everyone during pre-calvary & post-calvary period, nothing change of the plan of salvation.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

rj

Please read what I said. The Gospel according to Mark begins with the statement: The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;.

Later Mark tells us in verse 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God.

In the Book of Acts we are told in chapter 28:

30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

There is only one Kingdom of God. I realize that the dispensationalists preach that Jesus Christ came to preach a gospel of an earthly Messianic kingdom but they are preaching a false gospel. As Paul stated in Galatians there is only one Gospel. There is not a gospel of an earthly Messianic kingdom and a Gospel of the Kingdom of God. I repeat, the Apostle Paul tells us in Romans that the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Given this truth, how can there be two Gospels? There is only one Gospel, that Gospel was preached by Jesus Christ and all the Apostles including Paul. In fact Paul tells us that same Gospel was preached to Abraham [Galatians 3:8].

 

Jesus Christ did not preach a literal kingdom at the beginning of His ministry. In fact the Jews expected a Messiah who would throw off the yoke of Rome and restore Israel to the Davidic state. When it became apparent that Jesus Christ came to establish a spiritual kingdom the Jews rejected Him, consistent with the prophecy of Isaiah 6:9, 10. Jesus Christ confirmed this prophecy in Matthew 13:13-15, the Apostle Paul confirmed this prophecy in Acts 28:25-27.

 

Had Jesus come to be an earthly King and set up His earthly Kingdom He had the chance:

John 6:14After the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus did, they began to say, “Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world.” 15Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself.

He withdrew because that was not His purpose.

 

Just wanted to let you all know that I am reading this thread with interest.

I havent posted here for some time. I am not a Dispensationalist but am taking a class in the subject.

I know some good verses that refute the extreme teachings on the subject but must admit that if you read Stam's book online that he definitely states that he is not for salvation by works.

If you havent read his book online yet see it at:

http://www.geocities.com/protestantscot/ttd/ttd_chap1.html

You cant judge all fruit by one piece. I know many folks that DIVIDE over this and its silly.

I have seen folks divide over whether the Church goes through the Trib and so on. This is not historical at all to divide on these issues.

I find that after being saved for 25 years that the most simple things are being forgotten and we are immersing ourselves in a fight that shouldnt happen.

If we honestly believe in a local church concept we shouldnt be as quick to name names and points fingers as we are to help our own members get by in life.

Keep this in mind as you debate the topic.

Pastors and teachers are admonished to point out false teachers - each of us should be open to truth. This includes folks like me that dont believe in Dispensationalism in total or those that are Dispensationalists and wont hear what is being said by folks like myself on the Post Trib/Pre Wrath Rapture.

Rather than say what one preacher did at a conference "I threw that book on the Post Trib into the trash barrel. Amen?" (and not many folks amened him glory to God) ... we aught to at least KNOW the position.

Stam's book showed me that we as Post Trib believers cannot lower the boom on all Dispnesationalists saying that they teach a works salvation. I found his approach interesting. Not that I believe the position but hey, how will anyone want to listen to me if I am not at least willing to read their works on the subject.

Just as I am a KJV believer I will at least read works that describe the efforts of those that honestly put out versions of the Bible like the NASB and so on and understand that many men did it with a good intent at first.

Bob Jones Sr. and others later repented of being involved in translating one of the versions. But that is not the point. Its that good men can have good intentions but end up with the wrong doctrine. Thus I dont judge motives. I judge the final fruit. But if I dont read about the doctrine and just take Dr. so and so's word for it how can I convince anyone else that it is not right?

 

[REPENT-AND-BELIEVE],

A good source of information can be found on A-millenialism at;

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/