A few of my random thoughts tonight

[Crabtownboy]

Chris Matthews seems to disagree with you-

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-on-obama-win-o-glad-hurricane-sandy-struck/

Of course Matthews would not admit that there were other factors more important than Hurricane Sandy. He has to follow corporate policy and corporate policy is to spin it. Republican apologists are not going to blame the Tea Party and conservatives from driving women and Hispanics into voting for Obama.

Now continue to live in a dream world and ignore the basic problems the GOP has created for itself and they will never win another national election. Also they will start loosing more Senate seats and in a decade or so the House will start to slip away also. If they address these problems they may fare well.

By the way, put no faith in pundits pronouncements, either right or left. They are paid to say something but not necessarily to be right.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Of course Matthews would not admit that there were other factors more important than Hurricane Sandy. He has to follow corporate policy and corporate policy is to spin it. Republican apologists are not going to blame the Tea Party and conservatives from driving women and Hispanics into voting for Obama.

Now continue to live in a dream world and ignore the basic problems the GOP has created for itself and they will never win another national election. Also they will start loosing more Senate seats and in a decade or so the House will start to slip away also. If they address these problems they may fare well.

By the way, put no faith in pundits pronouncements, either right or left. They are paid to say something but not necessarily to be right.

While that may be true, I would be willing to wager that the demographics of the Republican party are just as varied as those of the Democrats, just that there are MORE minorities who are Dems than Reps. And I expect that to change as leaders such as Rubio, Walorski, Maldonado, and Love come into the spotlight.

 

[Crabtownboy]

While that may be true, I would be willing to wager that the demographics of the Republican party are just as varied as those of the Democrats, just that there are MORE minorities who are Dems than Reps. And I expect that to change as leaders such as Rubio, Walorski, Maldonado, and Love come into the spotlight.

When I say demographics I mean the trend where the white population is declining percentage wise and other groups are growing percentage wise. Add to that the driving of women voters to the Democrats and you are looking at disaster for the GOP.

If you are right about the demographics, why were they not visible at the Romney concession speech. I looked very carefully and did not see one minority. There were women, but no minorities that I could see. They were very visible in Chicago.

Here is one person's take on this ....

President Barack Obama did not just win reelection tonight. His victory signaled the irreversible triumph of a new, 21st-century America: multiracial, multi-ethnic, global in outlook and moving beyond centuries of racial, sexual, marital and religious tradition.

The Republican Party, by contrast, has been reduced to a rump parliament of Caucasian traditionalism: white, married, church-going -- to oversimplify only slightly. "It's a catastrophe," said GOP strategist Steve Schmidt. "This is, this will have to be, the last time that the Republican Party tries to win this way."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/barack-obama-reelection_n_2085819.html?ref=topbar

 

[billwald]

>These past years, the richest became richer, the poorest became poorer. Subprimes crisis, and then world economy crisis, nothing changed that scheme that was already going on. The mid classes tend to go poorer. I think that it's true everywhere in the rich western countries.

AGREE 100%! Nothing is going to change. The rich will continue to get rich and the poor, poorer. The middle class bubble has popped and will not return.

 

[mont974x4]

No offense to the foreigners on this board but if I wanted to live under European policies I'd move back to Europe.

 

[targus]

AGREE 100%! Nothing is going to change. The rich will continue to get rich and the poor, poorer. The middle class bubble has popped and will not return.

And keeping your "owner" and his part minions in office has set that sad state in concrete.

 

[Mexdeaf]

When I say demographics I mean the trend where the white population is declining percentage wise and other groups are growing percentage wise. Add to that the driving of women voters to the Democrats and you are looking at disaster for the GOP.

If you are right about the demographics, why were they not visible at the Romney concession speech. I looked very carefully and did not see one minority. There were women, but no minorities that I could see. They were very visible in Chicago.

Here is one person's take on this ....

I posited earlier that the demographics of the Chicago and Boston metro areas may have played a part in what you saw on TV. Do you not agree that is a possibility? Not to mention the fact that Chicago is very tightly Democratic?

My contention is that the Republican party is not as lily-white, married and "church-going" as you and the pundits claim it to be. We have the 'Log Cabin Republicans', you know.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Crabtownboy]

I posited earlier that the demographics of the Chicago and Boston metro areas may have played a part in what you saw on TV. Do you not agree that is a possibility? Not to mention the fact that Chicago is very tightly Democratic?

My guess is that racially there probably is not much difference between Chicago and Boston. I suppose this type of information can be found on the Net, but I won't try researching it just now.

My contention is that the Republican party is not as lily-white, married and "church-going" as you and the pundits claim it to be. We have the 'Log Cabin Republicans', you know.:smilewinkgrin:

I think it is pretty lily-white and that is the perception of many. Of course not 100%. But the GOP has proposed laws and in some cases passed laws that made it appear to minority groups that the GOP considers them the enemy, i.e. voter registration laws aimed as making it difficult for blacks and Hispanics to vote. Illegal alien laws that make Hispanics believe that the GOP thinks of them as the enemy. And the GOP stances on contraceptives drove many women away.

That is the perception and in politics perception is extremely important as people vote from their perception of the candidates.

Indeed, the current crop of Republican members of the House of Representatives are perceived by many as viewing anyone who does not agree with them as the enemy. The no compromise path they have followed leaves no other conclusion. You cannot make a person feel like he/she is your enemy and then expect them to vote for you or your party.

Politics is the art of compromise. Sure to compromise is to give up something and that is hard to take ... but also in a compromise you gain something you wanted.

To follow a no compromise policy harms the country greatly as nothing of real importance can be accomplished.

 

[targus]

Just in case anyone wants compare facts with Crabby's tripe...

The most recent estimate of the popular vote was:
58,720,700 Obama (50.1%)
56,145,950 Romney (48.4%)

 

[Alcott]

To follow a no compromise policy harms the country greatly as nothing of real importance can be accomplished.[/QUOTE]

I remember in Martin Luther King's Why We Can't Wait he wrote what would be called a rebuttal chapter to that statement.

 

[Spear]

No offense to the foreigners on this board but if I wanted to live under European policies I'd move back to Europe.

What do you mean ?

 

[mont974x4]

I mean I have seen the damage of the policies of socialism first hand and don't want it here. They are not good at all. We will be like Greece soon because of people wanting to make America more like Europe.

 

[Spear]

I mean I have seen the damage of the policies of socialism first hand and don't want it here. They are not good at all. We will be like Greece soon because of people wanting to make America more like Europe.

Remind me ... the economy crisis started with the subprimes crisis ... where did it come from ? I don't mean we do better here than you do over there, but I often have the feeling we always do worse anyway .... Many conservatists handle " Socialism " like a scarecrow all the time ... An if you were born in Europe, I guess you know the signification of " Socialism " in american mouth has more to do with " Communism " than what it really is in western europe.

 

[mont974x4]

I was not born in Europe. I was stationed in Germany for a few years. I love the food, the beer, and the countryside. You can keep the taxes and nanny-state mentality.

Socialism and communism are indeed kindred spirits. They are deeply related to Marxism. It feeds off class warfare to make a nation of slaves.

You cannot tax and spend people into prosperity. The false sense of entitlement must be slain. The government is not responsibility to meet all our needs, and certainly not our wants. Government run anything is a travesty.

As I said in my earlier post. If I wanted those things I'd move.


No nation has survived that kind of agenda.

 

[Eric B]

Racism put Obama in the White House (twice). Now you want Republicans to be racist. Amazing.

It's not about what I want; and since the point there is about the Romney camp not reflecting the diversity that is already here in this country, regardless of what anyone wants; it's just there) are you suggesting that diversity itself is racist? The only way other groups can be represented is through "special treatment" they don't "deserve"? (This is the sort of belief system, like the 47% comment, that is precisely the reason for what is being observed here. It's not "who's going to give us more freebies"; it's who's wrongly reducing all the issues down to such ignorant blaming, accusatory generalizations in the first place).

 

[Revmitchell]

The only way other groups can be represented is through "special treatment" they don't "deserve"?

This is pure a pure falsehood created to gain an electorate by the left. Not an ounce of truth to it.

 

[Eric B]

No, that's not actually what the left SAYS; it's what the right always claims the left says. (I was facetiously asking if that was what he believed).

 

[Andy T.]

The Republicans have no real charismatic and popular leaders to campaign and to win over and increase enthusiasm among their supporters. Republicans have no answer to Bill and Hillary Clinton and president Obama in the adoration and excitement they bring to supporters.

One major reason for this is that Christian conservatives do not (for the most part* - more on this below) put their hope in politics or man, like those on the Left do. To the liberal - their entire existence, their entire well-being is dependent on politics and the power they can wield through it. Not so for the conservative. And when they get a charismatic leader like Obama on their side, they cling to him for dear life, they worship him - he is their savior - because politics is their religion.

*I'm starting to think it's a good thing that conservatives are taking a beating politically, because it will drive us back to the first things - the things of God. Too many (myself included) have been allured by the power of politics and have placed too much of our hope in who wins elections. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying we should abandon politics - Christ is still Lord over every aspect of our lives and thinking. But maybe we should redirect our energies a bit to the primary things in life - worshiping and serving God, serving our families, reaching out with the Gospel, building the culture around us from the ground up by equipping Christians who devote their entire lives and thinking to Him, instead of hoping in the top down approach of winning elections. And maybe it means focusing more on state and local elections and building a grass roots movement of thinking, devoted Christian leaders in our local communities, not just leaders in Wash. DC.

And I'm thinking that maybe God sent Hurricane Sandy for this very reason, because I believe Sandy did have an impact on the outcome. And I believe God is in control of natural phenomenon. I'm sure there are other reasons why God sent Sandy (which we can't know this side of heaven), but I can't help to think this election was one of His reasons - kind of like He's waking up the Church to quit putting our hope in politics and man and look to the first things.

I don't know - all of this just came to me over the last couple days. Not trying to lay down a manifesto or wax poetic, but just sharing what's crossing my mind and heart after reflecting on these recent events.

 

[Andy T.]

Here is an article that connects with me and a little bit of what I was saying above:

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/11/07/from-me-yesterday/

 

[billwald]

If the EEC had been formed in 1947 Europe would be in good shape. Europe trashed itself by removing internal import duties and opening the borders. In the same way the US has trashed itself by removing import duties and giving tax breaks to companies that send jobs off shore. International corporations are PAID to send US jobs off shore.