A Few Sabbath Questions

[vooks]

So Sabbath was for 'mankind' that is all men?

1. Why did God punish Israel sending them into captivity for breaking sabbath yet He never punished Gentiles who never kept it in the first place?

2. How could sabbath be a sign between Israel and Jehovah if all men were expected to keep it as per Exodus 31:17?

3. How comes all recorded judgements against Gentiles by God's prophets never mention breaking sabbath?

4. Ephesians 2:12 (KJV)" ...being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world..."
How comes Gentiles are 'aliens' to the covenant signified by sign they were supposed to keep?
5. How comes sabbath keeping was ONLY required for strangers WITHIN the gates and not without?-Exodus 20:10

 

[DHK]

So Sabbath was for 'mankind' that is all men?

1. Why did God punish Israel sending them into captivity for breaking sabbath yet He never punished Gentiles who never kept it in the first place?

2. How could sabbath be a sign between Israel and Jehovah if all men were expected to keep it as per Exodus 31:17?

3. How comes all recorded judgements against Gentiles by God's prophets never mention breaking sabbath?

4. Ephesians 2:12 (KJV)" ...being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world..."
How comes Gentiles are 'aliens' to the covenant signified by sign they were supposed to keep?
5. How comes sabbath keeping was ONLY required for strangers WITHIN the gates and not without?-Exodus 20:10

How come SDA's don't answer these questions?

 

[BobRyan]

So Sabbath was for 'mankind' that is all men?

1. Why did God punish Israel sending them into captivity for breaking sabbath yet He never punished Gentiles who never kept it in the first place?

2. How could sabbath be a sign between Israel and Jehovah if all men were expected to keep it as per Exodus 31:17?

3. How comes all recorded judgements against Gentiles by God's prophets never mention breaking sabbath?

4. Ephesians 2:12 (KJV)" ...being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world..."
How comes Gentiles are 'aliens' to the covenant signified by sign they were supposed to keep?
5. How comes sabbath keeping was ONLY required for strangers WITHIN the gates and not without?-Exodus 20:10

How instructive that you do not quote Is 66:23 or Is 56:1-8 or Mark 2:27 ALL of which point to the Sabbath for MANKIND - for Gentiles specifically.

IS this because "Bible avoidance" on the subject that you setup for discussion is your only solution??

Is 56 -
Thus says the Lord,
“Preserve justice and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 “How blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will surely separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.” 4 For thus says the Lord,
“To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial,
And a name better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.

6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning The Sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the dispersed of Israel, declares,
“Yet others I will gather to them, to those already gathered.”


Is 66
“For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

Mark 2:27
27 Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for mankind, and not mankind for the Sabbath.

 

[BobRyan]

Notice how this "Sabbath for mankind" Bible detail is accepted by even the pro-Sunday scholars.

D.L. Moody is not the only one to claim that the TEN Commandments are given to mankind in Eden and still binding on the saints today.

Baptist Confession of Faith - section 19 almost identical to the Westminster section 19 quoted above.

Notice how they both fit that 7 point summary already posted on page 1?

[FONT=&quot]Baptist Confession of Faith Section 19 link[/FONT]


Section 19:

C.H. Spurgeon's edition of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" -- [FONT=&quot]CH Spurgeon[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

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“The Perpetuity of the Law of God”
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[/FONT]Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it.

Section 19 of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" .

Section 19
. The Law of God

• God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

• The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

• Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

• To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it __________________

Originally Posted by Baptist Confession of Faith

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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Point 7[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]7. As it is the law of nature that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, should be set apart for the worship of God, so He has given in His Word a positive, moral and perpetual commandment, binding upon all men, in all ages to this effect. He has particularly appointed one day in seven for a Sabbath to be kept holy for Him. From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week and called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued until the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week having been abolished.[/FONT]
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[BobRyan]

Notice how D.L. Moody is one of those pro-Sunday scholars accepting the Sabbath made "for mankind".

SDAs are not the only ones to claim that the Sabbath Commandment was given to all mankind in Eden and is still binding on us to this very day --

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- D.L. Moody notices that some are opposed to the Sabbath Commandment - but notice how this sermon on the TEN Commandments also fits the summary of 7 points listed here on page 1??

BY THE
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]DWIGHT L. MOODY[/FONT][/FONT]​

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17 ​

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The Fourth Commandment

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Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27) [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was[/FONT][FONT=&quot]- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; [/FONT]

 

[BobRyan]

notice how God condemns the idea of toying with God's Ten Commandments -- the WORD of God --

But some might say - "surely breaking one of God's Commandments is not something that matters that much to Christ -- so sacrifice in praise and worship -- better than to obey".

Let us test that theory out.

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Bible texts both NT and OT about God's Commandments - Showing that the TEN Commandments are assigned the title "in scripture" as being "Commandments of God" -- and as also being "The Word of God"

10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10


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Christ's thinking on the subject of breaking one of God's Commandments by claiming to bend-edit slightly-modify one of them.


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture.

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]The elders consisting of scrib[FONT=&quot]es and ph[FONT=&quot]arise[FONT=&quot]es [/FONT]are in fact the "magisterium" even Paul admits to this. And Jesus shows how they claim to "sit in the chair of Moses" as church magisterium[FONT=&quot].[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying, “The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice. (Matthew 23:1-3)

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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Notice that [FONT=&quot]Christ points us to the fact that it voids[FONT=&quot]/[FONT=&quot]negates/ worship[FONT=&quot]. And in Rev 14 i[FONT=&quot]t[/FONT] is the "matter of wor[FONT=&quot]ship" that is being [FONT=&quot]warned about.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
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[BobRyan]

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! - in fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God" Rom 3:31

"sin IS transgression of the Law" - 1 John 3:4

Gal 3, Romans 3 -- ALL the world condemned under "SIN" as defined by -the LAW of God -- gentiles are included.

 

[DHK]

Did any of your posts come even close to answering just the first question posted?

So Sabbath was for 'mankind' that is all men?

1. Why did God punish Israel sending them into captivity for breaking sabbath yet He never punished Gentiles who never kept it in the first place?

Not even remotely close.

 

[BobRyan]

For those who actually read the Bible texts and other reference EVEN pro-Sunday sources admit the fact!

So "not just SDAs" admit to the glaringly obvious Bible facts showing the Sabbath for ALL mankind and specifically gentiles not just "ALL mankind"... as we all know by now.

 

[DHK]

For those who actually read the Bible texts and other reference EVEN pro-Sunday sources admit the fact!

So "not just SDAs" admit to the glaringly obvious Bible facts showing the Sabbath for ALL mankind and specifically gentiles not just "ALL mankind"... as we all know by now.

For all your dithering and dancing around the question, you still have managed to avoid even the first of his questions:

So Sabbath was for 'mankind' that is all men?

1. Why did God punish Israel sending them into captivity for breaking sabbath yet He never punished Gentiles who never kept it in the first place?

Care to provide an honest answer this time?

 

[vooks]

Cultists collective IQ never exceeds their leader's.
So you won't find answers to any of these questions any time soon. Let them wallow in their own mire

 

[targus]

Bob Ryan simply puts up the usual SDA cut and paste hooping that volume will provide cover for the lack of an answer.

Is there some sort of SDA class that teaches cut and paste, bolding underlining, italization, multiple font,multiple color, multiple letter size posting to distract from actual content?

I see also that the SDA use of the word "salient" has fallen out of favor.

 

[vooks]

Let's try and get into an Adventist's logic
1. YHWH introduces sabbath right after creation ( I can't find sabbath in Genesis but let's go along with them)
2. Mankind departs from sabbath keeping so much that in Exodus Israel is asked to REMEMBER the sabbath.
3. Going forward, ONLY Israel, a tiny group in the entire universe keeps sabbath, and they don't do a good job as Ezekiel reminds us; they profaned God's sabbaths
4. The tiny group is severely punished for breaking sabbath by among others sending them into captivity for 70 years, yet all the while, they were the only group to ATTEMPT to keep it. Others wallowed in ignorance
5. From Isaiah 56 and 66, we are told that Gentiles WILL keep the sabbath. This is still futuristic, and note, there is no indicting Gentiles for breaking sabbath anywhere up to this time.

Question is;
1. Why would God reveal such a significant 'moral' law long forgotten by humanity to just a tiny fraction of humanity and he never requires them to evangelize it abroad?
2. WHEN do the Gentiles like the Jews get to hear 'REMEMBER the Sabbath'? Is it at the cross, Pentecost or millennium if at all such literal bliss exists?

 

[vooks]

A few more questions for Sabbatarians, especially SDAs

You claim;

Sabbath will endure forever because it was HALLOWED,called HOLY and ETERNAL

1Kings 9:3 (KJV)
And the Lord said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually

1. Will the temple endure forever because God hallowed it? Not to mention the temple vessels as well- Exodus 40:9

2.Shall circumcision endure forever seeing it is also 'everlasting'?
Genesis 17:13 (KJV)
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant

 

[vooks]

The UNSTABLE and UNLEARNED insist that the LAW means Ten Commndments

"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! - in fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God" Rom 3:31

"sin IS transgression of the Law" - 1 John 3:4

Gal 3, Romans 3 -- ALL the world condemned under "SIN" as defined by -the LAW of God -- gentiles are included.

If the LAW always means the Ten Commandments, how comes
(A) Numbers is called the Law in Matt 12:5.
Matthew 12:5 (KJV)
Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

(B) Psalms is called the Law
John 10:34 (KJV)
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

(C) the Prophets are called the Law
1 Corinthians 14:21 (KJV)
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

(D) the Ten Commandments are also called the Law?
Romans 7:7 (KJV)
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet

 

[vooks]

In the light of #15 above, We have seen the Law means
1. Numbers
2. Psalms
3. Prophets
4. The Ten Commandments

Lets now turn to Matthew
Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV)
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled

On what basis can an Adventist flagrantly equate the Law mentioned in these verses is a strict and exclusive reference to the Ten Commandments and then insist they shall never pass hence they are eternal?

 

[BobRyan]

How instructive that you do not quote Is 66:23 or Is 56:1-8 or Mark 2:27 ALL of which point to the Sabbath for MANKIND - for Gentiles specifically.

IS this because "Bible avoidance" on the subject that you setup for discussion is your only solution??

Is 56 -
Thus says the Lord,
“Preserve justice and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 “How blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say,
“The Lord will surely separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.” 4 For thus says the Lord,
“To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial,
And a name better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.

6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the Lord,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning The Sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the dispersed of Israel, declares,
“Yet others I will gather to them, to those already gathered.”


Is 66
“For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

Mark 2:27
27 Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for mankind, and not mankind for the Sabbath.

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! - in fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God" Rom 3:31

"sin IS transgression of the Law" - 1 John 3:4

Gal 3, Romans 3 -- ALL the world condemned under "SIN" as defined by -the LAW of God -- gentiles are included.

For all your dithering and dancing around the question, you still have managed to avoid even the first of his questions:

1. open the Bible.
2. read.

The question of what gentiles are supposed to be doing - both OT and NT is "in the text" you are avoiding.

Bob Ryan simply puts up the usual SDA cut and paste

The "blind faith" notion that those Bible texts are all "SDA" is dark ages thinking.

The "blind faith" notion that the D.L. Moody quote on page is just another SDA talking - is dark ages thinking.

The "blind faith" notion that the "Baptist Confession of Faith" quote on page one - is yet another SDA source - is dark ages thinking.

If the baptist answer to history and Bible fact is to resort to dark ages name-calling and revisionism - then there will come a day when the SDA denomination will have out grown even the largest shrinking Baptist denomination. That is because Christian cannot thrive in the long run - on that dark ages thinking. Even the RCC is learning that lesson.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[DHK]

1. open the Bible.

The question of what gentiles are supposed to be doing - both OT and NT is "in the text" you are avoiding.

The "blind faith" notion that those Bible texts are all "SDA" is dark ages thinking.

The "blind faith" notion that the D.L. Moody quote on page is just another SDA talking - is dark ages thinking.

The "blind faith" notion that the "Baptist Confession of Faith" quote on page one - is yet another SDA source - is dark ages thinking.

If the baptist answer to history and Bible fact is to resort to dark ages name-calling and revisionism - then there will come a day when the SDA denomination will have out grown even the largest shrinking Baptist denomination. That is because Christian cannot thrive in the long run - on that dark ages thinking. Even the RCC is learning that lesson.

in Christ,

Bob

The OP is:

So Sabbath was for 'mankind' that is all men?

1. Why did God punish Israel sending them into captivity for breaking sabbath yet He never punished Gentiles who never kept it in the first place?

2. How could sabbath be a sign between Israel and Jehovah if all men were expected to keep it as per Exodus 31:17?

3. How comes all recorded judgements against Gentiles by God's prophets never mention breaking sabbath?

4. Ephesians 2:12 (KJV)" ...being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world..."
How comes Gentiles are 'aliens' to the covenant signified by sign they were supposed to keep?
5. How comes sabbath keeping was ONLY required for strangers WITHIN the gates and not without?-Exodus 20:10

You can't answer his questions and this post is good evidence of it.

You obfuscate, avoid, detour, and beat around the bush.
But you don't answer the questions. Why? You can't.
Your answers have nothing to do with these questions asked.

What does referring to D.L. Moody have to do with any of this? Nothing!
What does Baptist history have to with any of these questions? Nothing!
Do you refer to Moody and history because of your inability to use the Bible as it applies to you personally?
Or as the Bible applies to the questions asked of you?

Your failure and inability to answer to OP is evident to all who read this thread.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

God never punished gentiles / heathen / pagans for breaking his Laws : BIGGEST NONSENSICAL UNTRUTH imaginable!

If gentiles / heathen / pagans were not punished for breaking God's Laws they would have been immortals and immune to sickness or whatever malady and would have been models in morals and ethics, indeed the envy of the angels if Satan was an angel.

With this I cannot agree more:
Quoting BobRyan<<<Ephesians 2:12 (KJV)" ...being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world..."
How comes Gentiles are 'aliens' to the covenant ... ?>>>

BECAUSE THAT IS GOD'S PUNISHMENT FOR THEM!

Can there be a worse punishment? It only is the punishment Adam and Eve got for their, DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW! ---for nothing else. Because this, " ...being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world..." simply means "the wages of SIN : DEATH"

 

[vooks]

God never punished gentiles / heathen / pagans for breaking his Laws : BIGGEST NONSENSICAL UNTRUTH imaginable!

If gentiles / heathen / pagans were not punished for breaking God's Laws they would have been immortals and immune to sickness or whatever malady and would have been models in morals and ethics, indeed the envy of the angels if Satan was an angel.

With this I cannot agree more:
Quoting BobRyan<<<Ephesians 2:12 (KJV)" ...being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world..."
How comes Gentiles are 'aliens' to the covenant ... ?>>>

BECAUSE THAT IS GOD'S PUNISHMENT FOR THEM!

Can there be a worse punishment? It only is the punishment Adam and Eve got for their, DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW! ---for nothing else. Because this, " ...being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world..." simply means "the wages of SIN : DEATH"

You are extremely silly and you do a bad job at hiding it.
We have in the prophets innumerable judgements against Gentile kingdoms none of which touches on sabbath.

If God's punishment to Gentiles is by making them aliens, that would suggest Israel themselves DESERVED the covenants. Do you think Israel deserved the covenant BETTER than any nation around them? Utter stupidity.