A lack of Baptist scholarship?

[tinytim]

Originally posted by Mark Osgatharp:
TinyTim,

I wouldn't wish those books on anyone. In fact, a couple of days ago I started to donate a Scofield Bible to the local thrift store. Then I thought, why would I want anyone to have their mind perverted by reading that tripe? So in the trash it went.

Mark Osgatharp

Are you serious? You mean you actually threw a Bible away? Why? There are so many in the world that need God's Word. I don't agree with everything Scofield wrote, but I would have given it to somebody instead of destroying a Bible.

I'm sorry you feel God's Word is "tripe".
Even with Scofield's notes written in it, it is still not "tripe"

I hope no one goes to Hell because you threw away a copy of God's HOLY Word.

You are in my prayers.
tiny.

 

[Mark Osgatharp]

Originally posted by tinytim:
I'm sorry you feel God's Word is "tripe".
Even with Scofield's notes written in it, it is still not "tripe".

A. There are plenty of Bibles in the world and no one is going to hell because they didn't get a copy of the Bible perverted by Scofield.

B. I didn't say God's Word is tripe and you know I didn't say God's Word is tripe.

Mark Osgatharp

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by tinytim:

Even with Scofield's notes written in it, it is still not "tripe"

I hope no one goes to Hell because you threw away a copy of God's HOLY Word.

You are in my prayers.
tiny.

Scofield's notes present a false interpretation of Scripture and no one will go to hell because a copy of Scripture is thrown away. Some of the modern paraphrases are, in effect, throwing away God's Word. Furthermore, only those who were not chosen by God the Father unto Salvation in Jesus Christ will go to hell.

 

[Mark Osgatharp]

Originally posted by PastorSBC1303:
No, actually it was not a personal attack on you. I did not call you arrogant. I called the reply that you posted as arrogant.

How could a post be arrogant unless the man who wrote it is arrogant. It was a personal attack.

How do know that the church(es) he was a part of was not one of the Lord's churches?

Because Calvin started the Reformed churches, with a false plan of salvation, a false baptism, and a false polity. Couldn't possibly be the sort of churches that the Lord owns.

All are sinners. All do things that are wrong at times. Even Christians do things that do not honor the Lord.

Agreed; but that does not address the question. The question was very simple: do you believe that a man who persecutes the Lord's churches loves the Lord?

Mark Osgatharp

 

[tinytim]

Do you not contend that you believe that a Bible with Scofield's notes in it is Tripe?

Then what did you refer to as Tripe?
The notes themselves?

Ok, let me get this straight... you believe it is OK to throw away God's word, as long as it has scholar's notes in it that you disagree with?

Is that what you believe?

Then go become a RC.
That is what they did.

Let's just burn those heretical Bibles!!
(Absolute sarcasm here!!!)

Many Martyrs have given their lives so that the Word of God can be placed into hands of sinners, and you want to throw them away!!!

Sorry, but that makes me righteously indignant.

You have no defense here, or at the Judgement seat of Christ.

How can anyone throw away a Bible just because they disagree with some notes?

I am at a loss of understanding.

 

[Craigbythesea]

In my early days as a Christian, I found my one and only study Bible, the New Scofield Reference Bible, to be invaluable. My pastor taught the pre-trib rapture and I believed him until I studied Scofield’s notes on the rapture and saw that even he was not able to find so much as one verse in the entire Bible that even so much as hinted at a pre-trib rapture. And when I studied his notes on dispensationalism and OSAS, I saw that even he was not able to find so much as one verse in the entire Bible that even so much as hinted at dispensationalism or OSAS. Therefore, I heartily recommend the New Scofield Reference Bible for people who want to know what is NOT taught in the Bible.

 

[EdSutton]

I'm not sure I know what scholarship is, as I before posted, but I'm pretty sure I know a lack of scholarship when I see it. But maybe that's just me. I have yet to find that I couldn't learn some positive things from most everyone.
Ed

 

[Mexdeaf]

Originally posted by Craigbythesea:
In my early days as a Christian, I found my one and only study Bible, the New Scofield Reference Bible, to be invaluable. My pastor taught the pre-trib rapture and I believed him until I studied Scofield’s notes on the rapture and saw that even he was not able to find so much as one verse in the entire Bible that even so much as hinted at a pre-trib rapture. And when I studied his notes on dispensationalism and OSAS, I saw that even he was not able to find so much as one verse in the entire Bible that even so much as hinted at dispensationalism or OSAS. Therefore, I heartily recommend the New Scofield Reference Bible for people who want to know what is NOT taught in the Bible.

That's exactly why I do not use a 'study' Bible with notes in it!!!

 

[Charles Meadows]

I really don't understand why anyone would want to flee from knowledge. Why would a believer not want to learn more about the Bible and the languages and cultures in it?

I'm not advocating putting that above faith - but the two are not exclusive.

But I really hate the "anti-scholarship" sentiments that linger in fundamentalism.

Now I do not assert that a believer NEEDS more than a Bible and prayertime to learn from God. But this notion that God will simply drop the knowledge we need in our laps is misguided. If this were the case we would not have so many denominations - obviously not everyone who thought God was showing him something was right!!

How many "preachers" expound unenlightened nonsense and then stamp God's approval on it by saying that God showed this to them and that they don't need the books of those "scholars".

Sad.

 

[Mark Osgatharp]

Originally posted by tinytim:
Sorry, but that makes me righteously indignant.

You have no defense here, or at the Judgement seat of Christ.

Personal attack! Personal attack! (not holding my breath waiting for the speech police).

How can anyone throw away a Bible just because they disagree with some notes?

Because I love the Bible too much and love men too much to have some poor unsuspecting soul read the Bible with the ghost of Scofield drowing out the Holy Ghost.

When I first started preaching I carried a Scofield Bible but I began to realize that every time I read from it old Scofield was there wrongly dividing it. I trashed the one I was carrying; then someone gave me this one and now I have trashed it.

As I said, I started to donate it to a thrift store, but my conscience wouldn't let me do it. It was a nice one too, genuine maroon leather binding with gilt edges. But I don't feel one bit of remorse; would do it again given the opportunity.

Which reminds me of what one old Baptist preacher said when the subject of the Scofield Bible came up: "I wouldn't have one in my house."

Mark Osgatharp

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Charles Meadows:
How many "preachers" expound unenlightened nonsense and then stamp God's approval on it by saying that God showed this to them and that they don't need the books of those "scholars".

I had one do that to me when I asked him how he came up with something. Then I showed him what scripture taught in a few minutes and he was left speechless. He had not studied his Bible.

How can we expect the congregations in America to know what the Bible teaches if we do not study enough to know. I have had preachers tell me they do not preach on certain subjects. My response is that it is in the Bible and they want people to read it so why do they ignore God's word. People who are informed will make better decisions.

 

[EdSutton]

Gents and ladies: When you pick or pick up a Bible- any Bible- that we have available today, you have in your hand the results of someone else's 'critical scholarship', be it erasmus, The KJV translators, the Lockman Foundation, Thomas Nelson, etc., [Unless, of course, you happen to have what are assumed to be the long lost original documents in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic in your hand, (Who are we supposed to think you are, Joseph Smith?) which I find extremely unlikely.] I have no particular problem with someone not particularly liking a version or reference Bible, but to assume that all 'Reference Bible Scholarship', be it Scofield, Thompson, Dake, whatever is suspect, and KJV, ASV, HCSB, NASB, again whatever, is not, seems to me to be more than a bit arrogant. Paul wanted Timothy to bring him some books and parchments that he had left for a time; Moses is said to have studied in all the wisdom of the Pharaohs; Elisha and Samuel were at one time, the head of the original 'seminary'; We are all told to 'study'; the Lord Jesus is said to have increased in wisdom; and on and on. Seems to me that most of these are okaying what we are referring to as 'scholarship.'
The Bible sanctions it. No, It does not override the instruction of the Holy Spirit, but neither does it contradict it.
In His grace,
Ed

 

[Mexdeaf]

Originally posted by gb93433:

I had one do that to me when I asked him how he came up with something. Then I showed him what scripture taught in a few minutes and he was left speechless. He had not studied his Bible.

How can we expect the congregations in America to know what the Bible teaches if we do not study enough to know. I have had preachers tell me they do not preach on certain subjects. My response is that it is in the Bible and they want people to read it so why do they ignore God's word. People who are informed will make better decisions.

And that is the 'flip side' of scholarship. And another reason my favorite word is 'balance'.

 

[EdSutton]

BTW, What would any consider as "personal attacks"? Would not the venom directed at, Oh! I don't know say, the late Gill, Calvin, and/or Scofield, qualify as a "personal attack"? Especially as none of them can defend himself? Should I happen to benefit? from such, I can at least defend myself; they cannot, any longer.
What about a misrepresentation? The "New Scofield Reference Bible" was published with advice? from a nine-man Editorial Committee, under the direction of the late E. Schyler English that oversaw and/or revised the notes. I believe, although I could be wrong on this, that all nine members of that committee are deceased, with John F. Walvoord being the last living member until his death a couple of years ago. To ascribe all the notes in this to a blanket "Scofield's notes" is, IMO, a misrepresentation. Do I 'sound' irate? A bit, I'm sure. Am I wrong, here? I don't think so, as to facts. Get 'em right before you say 'em. Is that too much to expect?
In His grace,
Ed

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by Craigbythesea:
In my early days as a Christian, I found my one and only study Bible, the New Scofield Reference Bible, to be invaluable. My pastor taught the pre-trib rapture and I believed him until I studied Scofield’s notes on the rapture and saw that even he was not able to find so much as one verse in the entire Bible that even so much as hinted at a pre-trib rapture. And when I studied his notes on dispensationalism and OSAS, I saw that even he was not able to find so much as one verse in the entire Bible that even so much as hinted at dispensationalism or OSAS. Therefore, I heartily recommend the New Scofield Reference Bible for people who want to know what is NOT taught in the Bible.

You are half right as usual. The dispensationalism of the Scofield Bible is false doctrine. However, there are many Scripture that teach the eternal security of the "true believer".

I thank God that in His providential care He kept me free of the dispensational error of Scofield when I was a young Christian. A dear Presbyterian friend of mine steered me to the Thompson Chain Reference Bible.

 

[Ransom]

Charles Meadows said:

Now I do not assert that a believer NEEDS more than a Bible and prayertime to learn from God.

On the other hand, the fact that God has appointed teachers for his Church (1 Cor. 12:28; Eph. 4:11) strongly implies a command to heed them.