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A Lesson for Trump and His Supporters on Immigration
- Thread starter Crabtownboy
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Trump isn't against migrant workers - I think he even hires some of them
Undocumented illegal workers are unscreened, non-taxpaying users of hardworking taxpayers money. They are more easily abused and cheated.
Rob
...but migrant workers do not have to be illegal migrant workers.
Create laws that serve the country...and don't allow illegal immigration.
Legal workers are protected workers with legal rights and status.
Undocumented illegal workers are unscreened, non-taxpaying users of hardworking taxpayers money. They are more easily abused and cheated.
Rob
Yes, he hired undocumented Polish workers, some say they were illegal, and then stiffed them refusing to pay. So, don't be so sure he is always for legal aliens ... especially if they are involved in working for him.
The Daily Beast’s Michael Daly has a thorough account of what happened. From his story:
The 200 demolition workers — nicknamed the Polish Brigade because of their home country — worked 12-hour shifts, seven days a week with no overtime to knock down the old Bonwit Teller building and make room for Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan.According to testimony in a protracted civil suit in federal court, the laborers were paid $5 an hour or less when they were paid at all. Some went unpaid after the contractor had financial troubles. A few never received even the paltry sum that was owed them for their dirty and hazardous efforts preceding the construction of Trump’s monument to his own wealth.“They were undocumented and worked ‘off the books,’” Manhattan federal Judge Charles Stewart said of the workers after they became the subject of a 1983 lawsuit. “No records were kept, no Social Security or other taxes were withheld.”
The Story Behind Donald Trump’s Undocumented Polish Workers
245 hired - 163 showed up = 82 did not show up -
WHY?
Could it be that they would loose food stamps or govt give-a-ways if they worked?
The system needs to be re-vamped.
I contend that if most welfare was ended - people would be flocking to work in order to eat.
II Thes 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
WHY?
Could it be that they would loose food stamps or govt give-a-ways if they worked?
The system needs to be re-vamped.
I contend that if most welfare was ended - people would be flocking to work in order to eat.
II Thes 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
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That is interesting OLD news, from 2011, that has nothing to do with President Trump.
However to the POINT. Some FACTS are missing.
Are we to PRESUME, that able-bodied Americans from North Carolina to the Southern Border, ALL were providing their own selves and families with Food and Shelter, and had NO NEED to work on a farm, and take advantage of an opportunity to earn money, and be provided food and shelter......?
The Facts are missing!
Because IF Americans from North Carolina to the Southern Border WERE NOT showing up to Work in North Carolina, but WERE showing up to get a handout at the taxpayers expense.....YOUR touted...."Migrant workers are needed"....IS A FALLACY.
IF, those UNWILLING to work, choose not to "show up" to work, BUT choose to "show up" at the HAND OUT OFFICE....
The problem is not with the those UNWILLING to work...
The problem is not with FOREIGNERS who ARE WILLING to work...
The problem IS the "hand out office" has not padlocked it doors to those NOT HUNGRY enough to Go Work and EARN food to put in their own mouths and a roof over their own heads!
That IS False.
The FACT is Trump hired a Contractor.
The FACT is Trump and the Contractor had a CONTRACT between them.
The FACT is the Contractor hired SUB-Contractors.
The FACT is the SUB-Contractor did hire illegals.
The FACT is Trump did NOT have a Contract with the SUB-Contractors!
The FACT is Trump was obligated to PAY the Contractor according to the terms of THEIR Contract.
The FACT is Trump DID PAY the Contractor according to the terms of THEIR Contract.
The FACT is the Contractor was defaulting on paying HIS own hired Sub-Contractors.
The FACT is Trump picked up the financial responsibility of the Contractors FAILURE TO PAY, and IN FACT, did pay the SUB-CONTRACTORS, WHOM, Trump did NOT HIRE, but WHOM did work on property belonging to Trump.
Who says Trump (or anyone else) is or required to ALWAYS BE FOR "legal aliens"?
There are numerous reasons a person MAY or MAY NOT "always" be "FOR" legal aliens.... so what?
Apparently you fail to comprehend what a CONTRACT is.
Apparently you fail to comprehend an employer / employee relationship.
Trump did NOT have a Contract with illegal Poles.
Trump did NOT hire illegal Poles.
Trump was not the employer or illegal Polish employees.
So, why are you making false statements, then giving your disapproval of your false statements?
Rubio said Trump "hired from Poland ..."
Politifact said "It was Trump’s contractor, not Trump himself, who hired 200 undocumented Polish workers to demolish a building to make room for Trump Tower in Manhattan. Fact-checking U.S. politics | PolitiFact
Trump said he hired a Contractor and the Contractor hired sub-Contractors.
Nothing in court documented records reveal facts to the contrary.
You can roll around on the floor laughing, but it doesn't change the facts....Contractors hire Sub-Contractors, as was the case regarding Trump's property.
But IF you think you have FOUND any legal documentation TO THE CONTRARY....why not share that discovery?
The head of the corporation, just like the president or the captain of a ship is responsible for what happens under his watch.
You are taking a very liberal stance on this issue.
What's your point? Oh right, you already stated your points, that are false.
LOL ~ Guess you didn't notice you are aligned with the liberal stance, and I am disagreement with your stance.
The point is that Truman was right, when you are president ...................
Sorry, old buddy, you are taking a very liberal stance.
By the way, did you give Obama the amount of leeway that you give Trump?
Copycat fake replier
HankD
Fake Fake News!
HankD
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The point is that Truman was right, when you are president ...................
Sorry, old buddy, you are taking a very liberal stance.
By the way, did you give Obama the amount of leeway that you give Trump?
Tell us about all of Obama's pre-squatting business' and we'll get back with you.
IMO, Truman, the most underrated president of modern times.The point is that Truman was right, when you are president ...................
Sorry, old buddy, you are taking a very liberal stance.
By the way, did you give Obama the amount of leeway that you give Trump?
He had the courage to do the unthinkable - and thereby saved countless lives and the world from the tyranny of Hirohito (who paid a horrible price)!
HankD
Crabby,
May I ask you something
a) when you go to buy a car
b) when you go to the grocery story
c) When you go to Mickey D's
d) when you call the Cable company for a repairman...
e) When you take your car to the shop
Do you check the legality of the individual who actually preforms the work?
Remember, you contract is with the Auto company, Store owner, Franchise owner, Time Warner, car owner ---
the worker has a contract with the business owner. So if that bagboy at the grocery store is illegal - they YOU are responsible.
May I ask you something
a) when you go to buy a car
b) when you go to the grocery story
c) When you go to Mickey D's
d) when you call the Cable company for a repairman...
e) When you take your car to the shop
Do you check the legality of the individual who actually preforms the work?
Remember, you contract is with the Auto company, Store owner, Franchise owner, Time Warner, car owner ---
the worker has a contract with the business owner. So if that bagboy at the grocery store is illegal - they YOU are responsible.
That is not my responsibility. That is the responsibility of the corporation I am dealing with.
If you owned a large orange grove or a large apple orchard and could not find any legal Americans or aliens to pick your apples or oranges, what would you do?