quote:Bob to Meatros
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Try to be convincing.
You question (again) is of the form
"Why does grass grow if God was able to feed people with bread that fell from heaven".
"Why is there dry land - if God was able to keep all of Noah's family alive on the boat without any dry land".
"Why is there a Bible - if God spoke directly to Israel at Sinai??"
Your "WHY CAN God do TWO THINGS" form of questioning - is not compelling.
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Meatros
Look, if you can't answer my question without building a strawman then just don't answer it. The point is not about God's infinite nature. It's about the logical consistence
So carry your point forward. I have "shown" the fallacy of your form of questioning "God doing two things instead of one, God having TWO solutions instead of one". I have shown SPECIFICS where the SAME form of question that you ask - is shown to be without validity. I have shown that this is the same case in your use of that SAME reasoning in Genesis 1.
Instead of answering the point - you complain that your fallacy is being exposed.
That is not a compelling form of argument.
The ball remains - in your court.
quote:Bob
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I just did above - I showed that there is NO MORE effective way to SHOW the cycle. Instead of coming up with a MORE effective way - you simply punt.
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Meatros -
What you are doing is shifting my question into a questioning of God's omnipotence. You are consistently failingly to see (and address) my point-which has nothing to do with what God can and can not do.
Actually the point above is about the "most effective way to CONVEY the idea of ONE Day- and using the term EVENING and Morning".
The point PRIOR to that was the one addressing your "Why did God solve the problem one way in Day ONE and THEN provide the SUN as an expanded solution to that problem in Day FOUR - I don't get it".
I simply pointed out that "your not getting HOW to create a living planetary system" has nothing to do with what "God could or could not do".
You are arguing "proof by puzzle" saying that IF a novice can not figure out WHY God did everyhting that He did in creating our solar system - then GOD probably did not do it.
Your premise is seriously flawed.
Meatros
The OP of this thread made the statement that Genesis is well-defined. Part of being well defined is being logical. This is exactly the part that I am addressing.
It is "logical" to use "Evening and Morning - ONE cycle - ONE day" to identify "One day".
That has been shown.
It is "logical" to have light, dry land, plants, sun and moon etc.
What is "not logical" is to insist that the novice can ALSO fully explain how to create the solar system AS GOD did it. It is not logical to "assume" that IF the novice is not as wise as God then God could not have done what HE claims to have done.
Your "premise" in your rebuttal is not logical at all.
quote:Bob
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Interesting "wild gyration" in logic - are you proposing that God was "showing creation" to Moses - from the viewpoint of one standing "on the North Pole"???
come on - be at least a little convincing in your responses.
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Meatros
Show me exactly where Moses was in Genesis.
It is you who argue that you know he was at the poles.
I am arguing that the SAME sequence of "Evening and Morning" that we see in the rest of scripture "is the perspective" that we have in Genesis. Basically - I am arguing "the obvious".
You complain each time one of your ploys is shown to be illogical, inconsistent and without merit and insist that "new threads be opened" to address each one of your fallacies. That is just not a compelling form of rebuttal. Why not try to advance your point instead?
quote:Bob
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{Evolution) has everything to do with this thread. The Bible is clear "by BOTH Christian and Atheist AND Jewish standards" that the language of Genesis 1 (AND the Summary of that chapter in Exodus 20:8-11) uses LITERAL 24 Hour day LANGUAGE. Nothing about it "suggests UNDEFINED TIME" nothing about "EVENING and Morning was ONE DAY" suggests "undefined Time".
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Meatros --
This has nothing to do with evolution, you just want to lump people all into one group-I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way.
I have shown that the "obvious" meaning to the "Primary audience" is accepted by Atheist, Christian AND Orthodox Jews to be a literal 7 day week AS we see in God's own Summary in Exodus 20:8-11's summary of Genesis 1-2:3.
I have pointed out that ONLY by bringing the bias of evolution's mytholgoies to the text FIRST - could you get to ANY OTHER view. As follows
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So IF you did not fIRST come to the text with the bias of evolutionary mythology - the obvious and explicit meaning of the text would REMAIN as it was to the PRIMARY audience of Moses' day - literal DAYS.
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Meatros
This is untrue and what's more it's predjudice. You do realize that people did not believe in a literal Genesis before evolution was thought up by Darwin don't you?
Obfuscation "again".
#1. No one today is arguing AGAINST the view of the Primary Audience taking this as a LITERAL 7 day week.
#2. No one today is arguing AGAINST the view of the Primary audience on any OTHER basis than evolutionism.
quote:Bob
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Only the evolutionary "bias" argues against the plain and obvious structure of the text.
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Meatros -
This is predjudice, a strawman, and begging the question.
Fine - prove your empty "Assertion" above by showing a significant group today that rejects the view of the Primary Audience based on any OTHER reasoning than Evolutionism's pre-bias.
Bob