Personally, I wouldn't go to a KJVO church to begin with. Unless of course God called me to be a member of that church. In that case, I'd get out my trusty KJV Bible and keep my opinion to myself. Now I would not teach this false doctrine in that church but I'd uphold thier right to use the KJV exclusively. Personally, it's not hill to die on. A lot of KJVO churches are reaching people for Jesus, making them into effective disciples, etc. That's what I want to be a part of anyway whether they use the KJV or the NIV is of no consequence when it comes to effective Kingdom Building.
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My pastor is KJV preferred. I would be outraged if he stopped preaching from the KJV because someone said it was a bad translation, too old fashioned or something like that. In other words, I'd be upset that he changed because of one other person's preferences. He is currently teaching through Romans with the NIV but he's still KJV preferred for his own personal study and memorization. I don't care what version he preaches from - just that he preaches from the Word of God. I'm used to not usually having the version that the pastor preaches from and I find it really interesting to do so.
franklinmonroe
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So, its OK to preach from a version to assert his own right, but its wrong to preach from the same version temporarily out of love?
C'mon, are sure you've never given up something for the sake of someone else?
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If he chooses to preach from another version out of love, that is fine - but he needs to be prepared to tell his congregation that someone in the congregation feels that the version he preached from was in error so he was going to preach from the version that the one person preferred. How does that affect the rest of the congregation?
Come on Frank, don't you see the can of worms that you are asking pastors to open with you logic? What happens if he switches back to the version the lady doesn't like? Now, the lady is really going to be offended. She got what she wanted for a short time, became happy, and now the rug is ripped out from under her. Talk about a slippery slope.
I'd talk with her, read some material (again), pray about it with her, but under no circumstances would I switch versions during our research period. I would make it clear that in the end I am going to do what I believe God is leading me to do. However, she needs to understand that neither she nor I can come up with a clear Biblical mandate concerning the NASB (which I preach from) or the KJV. But, I'll research the matter again for her sake. She also needs to understand that God has used the NASB clearly in my life for the past seven years to help many people and most importantly to see people come to a saving knowledge of the Lord just as He has used the KJV in the lives of many other preachers. I would point her to the results of God's ministry in my life and let the chips fall right there. After all, if I were using a heritical version why would God bless me and His ministry through me?
I'd talk with her, read some material (again), pray about it with her, but under no circumstances would I switch versions during our research period. I would make it clear that in the end I am going to do what I believe God is leading me to do. However, she needs to understand that neither she nor I can come up with a clear Biblical mandate concerning the NASB (which I preach from) or the KJV. But, I'll research the matter again for her sake. She also needs to understand that God has used the NASB clearly in my life for the past seven years to help many people and most importantly to see people come to a saving knowledge of the Lord just as He has used the KJV in the lives of many other preachers. I would point her to the results of God's ministry in my life and let the chips fall right there. After all, if I were using a heritical version why would God bless me and His ministry through me?
I would be very careful with using this type of reasoning. I have sat under a preacher who was a sexual pervert whose ministry outwardly appeared blessed but obviously the blessing was not upon him, but IN SPITE of him.
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The word of God will never return void, period. Even in the hands of an unbeliever it can work God's purposes. And that's not potshot at you, sag38.
I know exactly what you are trying to say, and I do agree with you. My pastor can say the same about using the ESV, and I can say the same about when I was using the NKJV.
I bought into the KJVO stuff when I was first saved, but God opened my eyes (thankfully!) I have seen God pour out His blessing through the use of the KJV, NIV, NKJV, NASB, TEV, HCSB, and ESV (right off the top of my head). I have seen God work through a pastor who was fooling around with a 15 year old, one who was sleeping with two women in the congregation, and one who was fooling around with a homosexual partner (I didn't say these were in my church, by the way).
You keep up your good work, sag38. I am pulling for ya. If I am ever in LA I will give you a holler and come visit your church for service (where abouts are you down there, anyway?).
I know exactly what you are trying to say, and I do agree with you. My pastor can say the same about using the ESV, and I can say the same about when I was using the NKJV.
I bought into the KJVO stuff when I was first saved, but God opened my eyes (thankfully!) I have seen God pour out His blessing through the use of the KJV, NIV, NKJV, NASB, TEV, HCSB, and ESV (right off the top of my head). I have seen God work through a pastor who was fooling around with a 15 year old, one who was sleeping with two women in the congregation, and one who was fooling around with a homosexual partner (I didn't say these were in my church, by the way).
You keep up your good work, sag38. I am pulling for ya. If I am ever in LA I will give you a holler and come visit your church for service (where abouts are you down there, anyway?).
franklinmonroe
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No, that would not be the case. By the time the pastor went back (if he went back) to the NASB she would be well aware of his reasons. She might appreciate the fact that he had preached for a time out of the KJV for her sake (and at the same time proving he actually has no prejudice against the KJV).
If the pastor cannot sincerely consider the woman's position, he might as well shut her down immediately. There is no point in patronizing her by reading material with a predetermined outcome in mind. Here emerges an element that has been broadly missed during this thread: that other people very often play a significant role in our development.
Obviously, we owe a lot of our 'self' to our parents (family) and teachers (education); but also to authors, preachers, friends, and media. How do we form the majority of our beliefs (personal, political, theological)? I would say that it starts from the influence of other people (yes, we should check those ideas against Scripture). But for example, most people are led to Lord by another person or through a sermon; very few get saved in isolation (say, by sitting down alone and reading the Bible). So now, if the pastor sincerely considers preaching from the KJV, he MIGHT actually decide that he is being led by the Lord to preach from it!
Not because this lady 'forced' him, or that he succumbed to somebody else's will. Perhaps he is reminded of the KJV's elegance or whatever, but it is his (His) choice. This potentiality has been mostly (if not completely) ignored throughout the responses to my posts. This is a reason to be prepared to make a change: because God, through the initiation of another person, wants us to change.
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I hope you did not take my previous post personally. I did not mean it in such a manner. If you did take it that way, please forgive me.
franklinmonroe
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I'm [hypothetically] taking your approach with my nextdoor neighbor. He came over complaining that my Southern Gospel music was "bothering" him. I told him I can't just change for one person (and afterall, I know it is a 'good witness' for him to hear the words).
He looked kinda tired or mad (I think he works nights and sleeps during the day), but I'm playing my music within my rights (I'm not exceding the noise limit set by the HOA); and no one else seems to be offended by my music (although I think the retired couple that live upstairs may be both hearing-impaired). The family below once told me they also enjoy music.
I suggested that one solution that might work for him would be to move away. Then I ask him he'd go to church with me this Sunday, but he said (well, I can't repeat what he said -- but he's definitely not going to church anytime soon).
Thanks [hypothetically].
He looked kinda tired or mad (I think he works nights and sleeps during the day), but I'm playing my music within my rights (I'm not exceding the noise limit set by the HOA); and no one else seems to be offended by my music (although I think the retired couple that live upstairs may be both hearing-impaired). The family below once told me they also enjoy music.
I suggested that one solution that might work for him would be to move away. Then I ask him he'd go to church with me this Sunday, but he said (well, I can't repeat what he said -- but he's definitely not going to church anytime soon).
Thanks [hypothetically].
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Are you shepherding all of your neighbors? Are you teaching all of your neighbors and your one neighbor is telling you to consider that the music is evil and you shouldn't listen to it at all? Are they questioning your wisdom in knowing what is right and wrong Biblically?
You're really comparing apples and oranges here.