A 'Loving' God Would Never...

In 1Cor 2:16 – we are told that we have been given “the Mind of Christ”. What then is the Mind of Christ regarding love for the lost?

When the “impartial (Rom 2:11) unchanging (Mal 3:6) God” weeps and grieves over the lost - He is not simply pretending so we will be duped into "thinking" He loves them and works for their salvation just as He loves the saved and ministers to them, when in fact He cares nothing at all for our children and loved ones that are “not elect”.

God’s Grieving involves tears as a parent weeps for a lost child!!

Lament over Jerusalem

God is sorrowful and GRIEVES for the lost and for the fact that He has done so much to win them - yet they TURN away.

God’s Spirit is grieved by the rebellion of His CHOSEN people His HOLY nation His ROYAL priesthood. Yes even by the LOST among them – even the worst among them.

ALL of God’s Compassion is stirred up within Him over the finally lost!

God will be displeased with the saints IF they rejoice at the fall/judgment of the wicked!

 

Originally posted by Bro. Bob:

Dear Brother Bob,
I believe the passage you have referenced is not speaking of the condmnation of those who are workers of iniquity.

But speaking of the inter relationship among men in time.

Bro. Dallas

 

Ok so "in this life" no gloating/rejoicing over the punishment of the wicked.

And then as shown above - GOD HIMSELF weeps over the case of the lost -- the really lost.

So then are we "less loving" in heaven?

Less concerned for loved ones if they are not saved?

Less inclined to share the "MIND of CHRIST" that weeps over the lost (As shown in the previous post of mine) as we SEE our loved ones in torment?

That kind of logic does not "seem to follow".

In Christ,

Bob

 

Dear Brother Bob,
I didn't make it that way, the word of God does:

I believe this was written by David, although some say Asaph. If David is the author, he is the same man who wrote this:

If David did write the first, then which of these are true? Oh how they seem to contradict one another.

At either rate, the quote from Ps. 73 shows the mind of a saint. This is true despite all the emotional pleas and singing we do trying to get people to just accept Jesus, if for no other reason, because passed loved ones are there waiting for us, just think how happy we shall be, reunited once again...

Dear Brothers and Sisters, I cannot doubt that we will know those who are redeemed when we are in heaven, but I cannot think that they who are redeemed will spend any portion of eternity either searching, grieving or missing one who is not there, I believe the same in regard to Christ. He has purchased a people, this work is complete, the number is countless to man, the number is unknown, unmarked and all we can do is fear that we shall be sad at the absence of one who has no present groaning to wit the redemption of their body?

Do we desire to go to heaven to glorify and worship our Savior and our God for the praise of the glory of His grace, or do we desire to go there for our own selfish happiness and ultimately self glorification?

Which seemeth righteous?

May God Bless,
Bro. Dallas

 

Why must we make such vain attempts to win those to Christ who have no grieving in their spirits because of their sin nature and their sins?

By vain attempts, I mean why do we imagine it is sufficient to coax such an emotional response from these by showing them such carnal happiness, are they truly learning Christ and even anything of the mind of Christ?

Do we compass the earth just to make proselytes, who when they believe then we make them two fold a child of the Devil? (For sake of knowing I am not proposing a two-seed doctrine, please read here, a 'child of disobedience').

Such efforts, such conversions do not honor the Glorious Redeemer.

May God Bless,
Brother Dallas

 

The little PM "you have a message" light does not show up here??

Whuzzup with that?? </font>[/QUOTE]Dear Brother Bob,
If your pm box is full (60 messages total, both incoming and outgoing), you cannot receive any messages, then your notification will not work.

This happened to me several times, finally, I read the bottom of the pm screen and learned that any combination equal to 60 closes the post office.



May God Bless,
Bro. Dallas

 

WE HARDEN OUR OWN HEARTS,
God doesnt do it arbitrarily.

It is a shame some Christians have such a dark view of God.You need to start studying the whole Word of God instead of using one or two verses to support your view. It is terrible and sad to paint such a dark picture of our loving God.
Ezek:18:25: Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?


God had declared concerning Pharaoh, "I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go." Exodus 4:21. But God often takes the "blame" for things that He really doesnt do. We harden our own hearts. It is just like when the Bible says "God repented" [Jonah:3:10] in one place but then in another it says
"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent" Num:23:19.


It is WE who make the choice daily, as to whether or not we will serve God, even moment to moment. God calls to us and we can refuse to hear His voice:

Heb:3:15: While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

Heb:4:7: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.


"When Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart." Ex:8:15. At the command of God, Aaron stretched out his hand, and the dust of the earth became lice throughout all the land of Egypt. Pharaoh called upon the magicians to do the same, but they could not. The work of God was thus shown to be superior to that of Satan. The magicians themselves acknowledged, "This is the finger of God." But the king was still unmoved. The king's heart had become hardened by persistent rebellion, and he still refused to yield.


God had declared concerning Pharaoh, "I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go." Exodus 4:21. There was no exercise of supernatural power to harden the heart of the king. God gave to Pharaoh the most striking evidence of divine power, but the monarch stubbornly refused to heed the light. Every display of infinite power rejected by him, rendered him the more determined in his rebellion. The seeds of rebellion that he sowed when he rejected the first miracle, produced their harvest. As he continued to venture on in his own course, going from one degree of stubbornness to another, his heart became more and more hardened, until he was called to look upon the cold, dead faces of the first-born.


WE CAN LEAVE OUR FIRST LOVE,
and decide to turn away from God

Said the True Witness to the church at Ephesus: "I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent." Revelation 2:4,5. The Saviour watches for a response to His offers of love and forgiveness, with a more tender compassion than that which moves the heart of an earthly parent to forgive a wayward, suffering son. He cries after the wanderer, "Return unto Me, and I will return unto you." Malachi 3:7. But if the erring one persistently refuses to heed the voice that calls him with pitying, tender love, he will at last be left in darkness. The heart that has long slighted God's mercy, becomes hardened in sin, and is no longer susceptible to the influence of the grace of God. Fearful will be the doom of that soul of whom the pleading Saviour shall finally declare, he "is joined to idols: let him alone." Hosea 4:17.


IF WE DO CERTAIN THINGS THEN OUR CALLING AND ELECTION IS SURE,
and if WE refuse then we will not gain entrance into Heaven. It depends on US and our choice. [see verses 10 and 11 below]

2Peter 1:
1: Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3: According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5: And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6: And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7: And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8: For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9: But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10: Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


IF WE OVERCOME WE WONT BE BLOTTED OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE,
but once we are IN the book of life, if we choose to turn away and rebel then our name is blotted out:

Rv:3:5: He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.


ALL of these things DEPEND UPON US... we choose, we decide what our destiny is.

 

I played the game of here today, gone tomorrow redemption, then I learned the Scripture says by the mouth of the Lord that the Gift of God is Eternal Life.

If it is a Gift, there is nothing I have done to be worthy of it, and if I have done anything to be worthy of it, then I have made God, the eternal creator, debtor to the finite, sinful creature, thus rendering God my servant rather than myself yielding to His Sovereign Will.

If it is Eternal Life, then there is no end of it having been freely justified by His Grace, through the redemption that is in His blood, we see not our righteousness, even were they to be done from a heart of purity and love for our Lord, for this is nothing less than idolatry.

You may have it as you wish, but I have been made free from the law of sin and death by the glorious Spirit of the law of life in Christ.

I have been made to pass from death unto life, now confessing that I am a pilgrim and stranger in the earth, looking for a country whose builder and maker is God, being no longer mindful of another country, for it is no more of my concern, thus I have no desire to turn back into its provinces;

May God Bless you and grant you rest in Christ alone, of such who fear they may lose that eternal gift of life I would ask you all to just rest in Christ and Him alone and you will learn that your righteousness did not nor will not deliver you into the glorious light in which you sometimes are made to stand by the unction of the Holy Spirit. Lay down those rags of baggage you are clinging to and buy the truth and sell it not.

Bro. Dallas

 

SATAN'S CHALLENGE TO GOD ABOUT JOB

You know, Job was a righteous man who loved and obeyed God. Job served God because he believed God's ways were RIGHT... and he served Him out of LOVE AND FROM CHOICE.

But SATAN CHALLENGED GOD about Job's obedience and service to God .

Basically, Satan accused Job of merely serving God BECAUSE OF WHAT HE WAS GETTING OUT OF IT.

Then Satan told God "Take everything away from God and let's see if he will still serve you!"

This was Satan's challenge and he challenges God with every one of us who serve God.

Now I ask you, WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF SATAN CHALLENGING GOD WITH JOB'S SERVICE TO HIM IF GOD FORCED JOB TO DO EVERYTHING THAT HE DID???

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1: There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
2: And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
3: His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
4: And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
5: And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
6: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7: And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8: And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9: Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10: Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11: But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12: And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.


Job 42:
7: And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.
10: And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before.
12: So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning

 

In other words, what I am saying in my post above is that Satan challenged God about Job's service to Him ... claiming that the ONLY reason Job served God was because God did things for him and gave him things... blessings.

If this Calvinist view of God is correct, then Satan may as well have skipped all that and just accused Job of just serving God because God FORCED him to.

..and do you know WHY Satan didnt do that? It is because God DID NOT FORCE him to.

 

FROGMAN,

Once again, you need to read the WHOLE THING:

Romans 8:
1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10: And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11: But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12: Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13: For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

IF... IF... IF "ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." verse 13

verse 1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

this promise of no condemnation is ONLY for those who do not continue walking in the flesh but who now walk after the Spirit. The carnal mind is at ENMITY against the Law of God. (verse 7) and if you are still not walking "in the Spirit" and keeping God's Law now, then you are walking in the flesh and are still under condemnation.

You also misunderstand what the "Law of sin and death" means. The Law of sin and death is ... if you sin, you will die. Ezekiel 18:4. It is a cycle, sin... death... sin... death.


Romans 8:
1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


In other words... we are to keep the law of God, but we keep trying and trying and fail. Thus we are "under the law if sin and death". Ezek:18:4: "..the soul that sinneth, it shall die." If we sin, we will die! (cause and effect) -This is what brings bondage. We stay in bondage to our sinful natures and it's effects, which will result in condemnation. BUT when we take hold of Jesus Christ by faith, die to sin, and be "born again" ...walking in the Spirit, and bearing the FRUITS of the Spirit... love, kindness, etc... THEN we are no longer in bondage! We are no longer under the bondage of the condemnation of the law... and why? BECAUSE WE ARE NOW KEEPING THE LAW! That's why! Now go back and read Romans 8 again! and read Galatians

Galatians 5:
13: For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14: For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15: But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16: This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17: For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18: But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20: Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21: Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23: Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24: And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Do you understand now that when we crucify our sin,,, crucify the flesh... and begin walking in the Spririt... producing the fruits of the Spirit (love, defined in the Bible as the ten commandments -Romans 13:8-10) - that THEN we are no longer "Under the CONDEMNATION OF that law"? Why? because... Galatians 5 verse 22: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23: Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

There IS NO LAW against love! Love IS the Law, the Law IS love! so when we begin keeping the law, THEN we are no longer "under the condemnation of the law of sin and death" you see? Why? BECAUSE WE ARE NO LONGER VIOLATING THAT LAW!


and as far as your verses about all those who lived by faith go... once again, read THE WHOLE THING.

Jms:2:21: Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Jms:2:22: Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Jms:2:24: Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Jms:2:14: What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Jms:2:17: Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Jms:2:18: Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Jms:2:20: But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

 

1Jn:3:7: Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOETH righteousness IS righteous, even as he is righteous.


..thats what its all about. No matter what they say, this idea of trying to throw everything off on God as forcing you to do everything is merely a way for people to try to duck out of their own responsibilities for their actions.


...but it isnt going to wash with God, No way.

 

I shoud've put a more full explanation of what I was saying. Here it is...

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." -however, if you DO continue sinning in the flesh, then you are STILL under condemnation!

Romans 8:
1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

*Please note that "the carnal man" (one who still walks in the flesh, in sin, in lawlessness) CANNOT BE SUBJECT TO THE LAW OF GOD! The man who now walks in the Spirit, however, IS subject to the Law of God. So many false teachers twist these passages around and try to make them seem to say that now we are free to break the Law of God. FALSE PROPHETS!

John 8:
31: Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32: And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33: They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 34: Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Note that the Apostle Paul talks about the fact that we are going to be a servant or "slave" to SOMETHING... whether it be a slave to sin or a slave to righteouness... and he does NOT tell us to keep on being a servant of sin!... we do not want to keep ourselves under bondage to sin while claiming to be "under grace"!...Remember that in Deuteronomy 13:1-8 that God has brought us OUT of bondage (that bondage of sin or the "law of sin and death") but that false prophets will try to put you back INTO bondage... and draw you away from the path of keeping the commandments of God!

Romans 6:11-16 "Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death , or of obedience unto righteousness?"

* *Note that in the verse above, if we keep sinning, we are are "sinning unto DEATH", not eternal life! We are keeping ourselves therefore under the law of sin and death! therefore under the law of sin and death!

Many Christians have a complete misconception of the word "bondage" in the Bible. They have the idea that it is "to go back into bondage" to keep the law of God. But in reality, the Bible teaches that it is the "Law of sin and death" that causes the bondage. Read this again:

Romans 8:
1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


In other words... we are to keep the law of God, but we keep trying and trying and fail. Thus we are "under the law if sin and death". Ezek:18:4: "..the soul that sinneth, it shall die." If we sin, we will die! (cause and effect) -This is what brings bondage. We stay in bondage to our sinful natures and it's effects, which will result in condemnation. BUT when we take hold of Jesus Christ by faith, die to sin, and be "born again" ...walking in the Spirit, and bearing the FRUITS of the Spirit... love, kindness, etc... THEN we are no longer in bondage! We are no longer under the bondage of the condemnation of the law... and why? BECAUSE WE ARE NOW KEEPING THE LAW! That's why! Now go back and read Romans 8 again! and read Galatians

Galatians 5:
13: For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14: For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15: But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16: This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17: For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18: But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20: Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21: Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23: Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24: And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts .

Do you understand now that when we crucify our sin,,, crucify the flesh... and begin walking in the Spririt... producing the fruits of the Spirit (love, defined in the Bible as the ten commandments -Romans 13:8-10) - that THEN we are no longer "Under the CONDEMNATION OF that law"? Why? because... Galatians 5 verse 22: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23: Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

There IS NO LAW against love! Love IS the Law, the Law IS love! so when we begin keeping the law, THEN we are no longer "under the condemnation of the law of sin and death" you see? Why? BECAUSE WE ARE NO LONGER VIOLATING THAT LAW! Now if someone tries to teach you that the Bible says we are now free from KEEPING THE LAW... you can KNOW they are a false teacher!

Keep in mind, these things all have to do with WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO DO. "Crucify the flesh", "Stop yielding to sin"... and so on...

It is so wrong to claim that we have nothing to do and that "God does it all"... and then if someone decides to keep on living in sin "it is just because GOD has not chosen this person".

Instead of blaming things on GOD... blame your neglect to do what the Bible says ON YOURSELF or on whoever decides they'd rather continue living in sin than living in obedience to God. Put the blame right where it belongs and stop giving a false, lying impression of God to the world.

 

Dear Claudia T,
According to your posts, Christ has not delivered anyone.

According to Scripture There is therefore now, no condemnation...

Ok, which of us do not have the sinful flesh? Which of us have been redeemed wholly, apart from the witness of the resurrection of our body.

I understand your position, I understand you think I have not read but only a few select passages, however, my position takes into account Ch. 7 as well as Ch. 8 in the context of what I have said regarding Chapter 8 vs. 2.

What child of God does not sin more than they want to? What child of God enjoys following or walking after the flesh?

I am not blaming God for anything. My position is that God preserves His elect by His Grace; if He did not, not one person would be eternally saved. This is the experience of Job and the experience of every redeemed child of God. Preservation.

You said the following:

When did I ever propose God to be the author of sin? When have I ever proposed that any should receive those who are still living in open sin, going before them into the fellowship of believers? Will you make it possible for sinful flesh to reconcile to the Eternal Holiness of God, apart from there having been a substitute a daysman as Job cried for? How can the carnal mind, which is at enmity with God, which cannot receive the things of the Spirit, which hates the mention of God, but can, will and does exalt its own righteousness, ever reconcile to God apart from having first the birth which is from above?

I do not have time this morning to answer each point in your post, I hope to be able to later however.

If I do not sin now more than I want to, then I would fear the mind of Christ is not in me. If I do not desire daily to have and live a closer life to God in the flesh, then I fear the mind of Christ is not in me. But if I make these things to be the object of my faith, then the object of my faith is not the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world, the only one in whose name there is salvation, do you understand.

If I am an elect regenerated child of God and I do idolize my faith works, then I am as the Galatian of whom Paul said ye have fallen from Grace. Not from the preservation of God of his children in the eternal life they have in Christ, but from Grace and why from Grace? Because they have entered willingly back into bondage to the law of God which has been fulfilled by Christ and may now only be fulfilled through him by his redeemed.

Please do not try to tread the winepress of the wrath of God with Christ, the Bible says he treaded it alone and with him were none of the people. Please look into the cup of his suffering and see the salvation He has bought for you, the depth of suffering He has accomplished, are you going to pay God what His only Begotten Son has already paid?

Who do you think they are of whom it is said, come to me, ye who are heavy laden? Why did He say His yoke was easy and his burden light?

May God Bless,
Bro. Dallas

 

Hear what the Spirit is saying through John.
He that doeth righteousness, is righteous, even as he is righteous.

This is because he that doeth righteous has the imputed righteousness of Christ. The same that Abraham had, who knowingly said of himself "I am but dust'.

How his children are puffed up against themselves sometimes.

May God Bless,
Bro. Dallas

 

You, and not only you, but all who would believe they must do something to receive the Grace of God which bringeth salvation fail to distinquish the carnal nature of man which the Bible declares to be at enmity with God, not becoming at enmity, but at enmity.

Then, in order to justify your fears of falling away, you fail to distinguish the freedom the believer has been brought into.

What you quote above and throughout the post this is excerpted from are commands to those who have been made free from the law of sin and death, who have been made partakers of the heavenly calling, who have the new nature through Christ that through the liberty of the Spirit now have the ability to obey the commands of Scripture.

Now, why do so many today follow for a while then you see them not? Is it because they really were not 'saved'? Is it as many will say they did not pray a true prayer of repentance?

I think it is because the greater number of preachers who are preaching bondage to fear rather than deliverance through Christ.

Did Paul deal with these kinds? Yes, they were certain brethren who crept in unawares to spy out the liberty wherein we stand, against whom Paul said we stood and received not, no not for one hour.

Did he deal with the problem of preachers preaching the yoke of bondage again? Yes, for certain believers from among the Pharisees came down (except your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees...so much for your belief I have only read a few passages, right?), and taught them saying except ye be circumcized after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

How will your righteousness, or my righteousness ever exceed that of the Pharisees? It will not, except through the Eternal Son of God and His Righteousness.

May God Bless,
Bro. Dallas

 

Just to add something to what I was saying in a former post...

Like I said, dont try to put everything on God and act like He just forces everybody along and if you are "the elect" that God happens to like then you will float along into heaven because God made you do it.

GALATIANS 6:
7: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8: For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

..it's up to YOU where you end up. You may as well insert YOUR NAME there where it says "a man".

 

Also, too many Christians have this idea that since Jesus died for them, they are automatically "righteous" but the Bible doesnt teach that. You repent of your sins and accept His righteousness but then you are to go on walking in the Spirit and leaving behind the ways of the flesh.

Jesus died, not to give a license to sin but to redeem you from sin. The Bible teaches that sin is transgression of the law, that is the biblical definition of sin. And Jesus came to destroy sin. If you think you can hang onto your sins and still be saved you've got a rude awakening coming.

1Jn:3:8: He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

If you are a true Christian you will actually BECOME RIGHTEOUS yourself through faith. You will not go around claiming the righteousness of Christ while living in sin yourself.

Isa:30:1: Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin

1Jn:2:29: If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1Jn:3:7: Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

 

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. I may as well insert my name where it says 'a man'. Ha Ha Ha.

Ha Ha Ha.

Then in another post, you state something to the effect that you don't (referring to me???) go around claiming the righteousness of Christ but continue to go on living in sin.

Are you forgetting scripture teaches us that we are yet in sin? But that if we confess our sins the blood of Jesus cleanses us? That he is faithful to forgive us? But that if we say we have no sin, we make Him to be a liar? Who is John writing to below? The lost? The saints? What is the difference, does no one know the difference anymore?

Sister, what you are saying, at least what I am hearing, is that you have a full reliance upon your righteousness, which the Bible declares to be dirty rags. Of which there is not one, no not one, either who is righteous or who seeks God, nor understands.

I perceive your posts are becoming hostile, this is ok, if you wish to post in that way, that is your business. I only speak that which I do know and have seen.

Let me give you a friendly warning, be careful what you are placing your trust in, be careful what you are building upon the foundation of Christ, be careful of what becomes the object of your faith.

BTW, I was reading a commentary on Romans this evening in my study and I learned that the phrase found in Chapter 8, vs. 1 as follows:

is not found in the earliest Greek manuscripts and is omitted by the Revised Version. This is not important to prove or disprove either your point, nor mine, the context of the whole of the Scripture as well as Romans 8 proves that a child of God is secure eternally (oops, there is that word that shall last for eternity, what did Christ call it? Eternal life, everlasting life?)

Your fears are of the flesh, are you walking after the Spirit?

Note vs. 4, in the manuscripts, this is the correct position for that phrase. It was probably a note inserted by some legalistic minded believer, don't ya think?

What else does vs. 4 teach us? That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, (then) who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Note that very well, you and I cannot fulfill the righteousness of the law by walking after the flesh, it is only by walking after the Spirit that we are able to fulfill the righteousness of the law.

Further, regarding the completed work of redemption, meaning reconciliation, sanctification and all spiritual blessings, we have these in Christ.

What does Scripture say? ...when he had by himself purged our sins...

imagine that, when he had by himself purged our sins.

Go ahead insert my name anywhere you wish, for the scripture is true, only they who do righteousness are righteous. But the scripture teaches about our being made free in the eternal Son of God and for all your talk about my using only pet scripture, you have given nothing that I disagree with. An elect regenerated child of God will not only desire a righteous life, but will by God's grace strive to live a righteous life, but obedience cannot be by anything but grace, if it is dear sister, then it renders God debtor rather than ourselves.

But, of course, that is the course of satan's sin, is it not pride that caused his own ruin, and pride that caused the ruin of Adam's race? Is it not iniquity found in his heart and also in the heart of the woman and man that enabled him (satan) to deceive the first and she to give to the latter?

Have you ever read the reaction of Adam and Eve when God visited their sin upon them? They pointed at someone else, both of them.

Adam said, the woman 'thou gave' to me, pointing both to the woman and to God, the woman said, the serpent beguiled me, pointing again to the creator and to the serpent, but where did either point to themselves?

Another thing, they already had a covering for their nakedness, who made that first covering? Was it natural or spiritual? was it eternal or good for time salvation only? Was it seamless or had it seams?

Oh, who taught them about the shed blood of an innocent substitute?

Well, I have said enough.

Bro. Dallas