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A Man's Place
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Repent-or-Burn
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To love his wife as Christ loved the church, and give himself for it. To take into account how decisions affect his wife. To understand the unity between husband and wife, being one flesh. To provide for the needs of his family. (I am not saying women cannot work. I am saying the husband must be WILLING to provide.)
To bring children up in admonition of the Lord. To be the Head of the house - in a disagreement, he gets the say-so over the children.
I'm sure I'm missing something.
To bring children up in admonition of the Lord. To be the Head of the house - in a disagreement, he gets the say-so over the children.
I'm sure I'm missing something.
To love his wife and family as Jesus loves the church. This means there are times, many times he will have to set his desires aside to do that which is best for the family. Christ gave his all, his life for the church, for us and, thus, the husband must be ready to give his life for his wife and family. For the man it is a life of sacrifice for the good of his wife and family.
Excellent summation. That is truly a high calling.
As a side note, you will notice that women's lib and advertisements are just two common ways that society (under the direction of ole slew foot, naturally), are proceeding to tear down the man's biblical role in life??!!
Incidentally, the preceding "job descriptions" are pretty accurate, IMHO!
Incidentally, the preceding "job descriptions" are pretty accurate, IMHO!
The answer is the same.
A husband is the head of the house, but the place of a man or woman is wherever the two prayerfully and in full agreement decide those places are to be.
The husband and wife submit to each other, as they would to Christ. Both are to love each other, as Christ loves the Church. A husband is the spiritual head, but Christ (not the husband) is the head of the house.
A husband is the head of the house, but the place of a man or woman is wherever the two prayerfully and in full agreement decide those places are to be.
The husband and wife submit to each other, as they would to Christ. Both are to love each other, as Christ loves the Church. A husband is the spiritual head, but Christ (not the husband) is the head of the house.
Repent-or-Burn
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John, where do you come up with "submit to eachother?"
Verse.
Verse.
That's a good question. I don't see anywhere in scripture where a man is to submit to his wife. That's what Adam did and we all know how that turned out.
Most likely it comes from the same place that wives are to submit to their husbands. It's just before that:
Ephesians 5:15-21
"Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the best use of the time, because the days are evil. 17Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. 18And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, 19addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, 20 giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ."
Repent-or-Burn
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Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Sure.
Clearly it's worked out in two distinctive ways, though.
If a couple agrees, then there is nothing to submit to: There is no command to follow. You ALWAYS submit to whom you agree with.
Submitting 'in Christ,' (This claim was not made, but I will address it before so.) we are ALWAYS to submit to Christ - the husband makes no difference here.
What does it mean? Maybe what John intended was to say that they are, to each other, to take into account how the other is affected, etc. and be loving. If that's the case, I agree.
But, the distinction exists: The wife obeys the husband except in sin.
That isn't about husbands and wives, but rather the church (brothers and sisters in Christ).
There are 2 distinctive relationships Paul is speaking of.
Yep - but hopefully your husband is your brother in Christ too.
I still think that the wives submitting wins out in a disagreement, but MANY use the verses before to say that husbands should submit to the wives too. I still can't figure out how that practically works out.
Yep - but hopefully your husband is your brother in Christ too.
I still think that the wives submitting wins out in a disagreement, but MANY use the verses before to say that husbands should submit to the wives too. I still can't figure out how that practically works out.
Yes, he is but he doesn't submit to me....darn! :laugh:
I agree, I don't think it can work out and still be obedient to God.
Repent-or-Burn
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How about using the next verses to tell us what it means?
This is what it means to submit to one another. Different roles for each gender.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
This is what it means to submit to one another. Different roles for each gender.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Ephesians 5, as noted prior. That includes spouses to each other. But there's an important lesson. When Paul says "wives submit to your husbands", he's not saying husbands don't need to submit. He's addressing the fact that wives in general have a problem with submitting. Note that Paul also says "husbands love your wives". Should we take that to mean that wives dont' need to love their husbands? Of course not! He's likewise addressing the fact that husbands in general have a difficult time loving. Both are to love, and both are to submit, something which is abundant in scripture elsewhere.
That wasn't Adam's problem. His problem was one of not taking responsibility for the actions of his family. He tried to pass the buck to Eve, and then tried to pass the buck to God ("the women whome YOU gave me").
Precisely; he submitted to Eve.
She said "Try it, you'll like it!" and he submitted and tried it - abdicating his responsibility to be the leader that God ordained him to be!
That's not what Adam's sin was. Adam's sin was not acknowleging his responsibility when confronted by God. He first blamed Eve, then blamed God.
What was his responsibility though? You shot down ones thoughts yet you really didn't offer something in return.
Adam didn't do his job and lead his wife. He kept his mouth shut...like some wimp and let his wife run the show. A sat there and watched her stuggle with temptation and he did nothing.