A mathematical look at the 69 weeks of years.

[37818]

Danial 9:25-26, ". . . Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, . . ."

Now with the interpretation that these weeks are weeks of years. And those years being interpreted to be 360 day years. The 7 weeks pluse 62 weeks give us the 69 weeks of years from the commandment to restore and rebuild Jersalem to the of the Messiah cut off to be 173880 days.

Now the mathmatical requirement, the day of the week of the command to restore and rebuild jersalem must be the same day of the week upon which the Messiah cut off.

The mathmatical reason for this is that 173880 days are equally divisible by 7.

There is a matter also how one interprets the meaning of day "the Messiah" being "cut off."

 

[37818]

There is a long going issue on the interpertation and understanding of the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-26. The Hebrew Calendar has its complexity.
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The Hebrew (or Jewish) calendar attempts to simultaneously maintain alignment between the months and the seasons and synchronise months with the Moon—it is thus deemed a “luni-solar calendar”. In addition, there are constraints on which days of the week on which a year can begin and to shift otherwise required extra days to prior years to keep the length of the year within the prescribed bounds. This isn't easy, and the computations required are correspondingly intricate.

Years are classified as common (normal) or embolismic (leap) years which occur in a 19 year cycle in years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19. In an embolismic (leap) year, an extra month of 29 days, “Veadar” or “Adar II”, is added to the end of the year after the month “Adar”, which is designated “Adar I” in such years. Further, years may be deficient, regular, or complete, having respectively 353, 354, or 355 days in a common year and 383, 384, or 385 days in embolismic years. Days are defined as beginning at sunset, and the calendar begins at sunset the night before Monday, October 7, 3761 B.C.E. in the Julian calendar, or Julian day 347995.5. Days are numbered with Sunday as day 1, through Saturday: day 7.

The average length of a month is 29.530594 days, extremely close to the mean synodic month (time from new Moon to next new Moon) of 29.530588 days. Such is the accuracy that more than 13,800 years elapse before a single day discrepancy between the calendar's average reckoning of the start of months and the mean time of the new Moon. Alignment with the solar year is better than the Julian calendar, but inferior to the Gregorian. The average length of a year is 365.2468 days compared to the actual solar tropical year (time from equinox to equinox) of 365.24219 days, so the calendar accumulates one day of error with respect to the solar year every 216 years.

 

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There is a long going issue on the interpertation and understanding of the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-26. The Hebrew Calendar has its complexity.
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One of the interpertations:
The Fulfilled Weeks of Daniel 70 Weeks » Christian Truth Center
The starting day used is March 14, 445BC with the end date April 6, 32AD. But it's 17882 days not 17880 days. A Friday to a Sunday. And there are more issues.

 

[37818]

The starting day used is March 14, 445BC with the end date April 6, 32AD. But it's 17882 days not 17880 days. A Friday to a Sunday. And there are more issues

In April 32AD the full Moon was on April 13. Now even with the date of April 6 being Nisan 10 that is too early for that date to have the 14 of Nisan on the following Thursday. The earilest date for Nisan 14 is the Sunday April 13, 32AD. And furthermore Nisan 15 is to never fall on a Friday.

 

[Eliyahu]

69 weeks by Prophetic Years are 483 x 360 days= 173,880 days
1st Day of Nisan Month in 445BC was 14th March 445 BC.
173,880 days were 476 Years plus 24 days according to the Gregorian Calendar.
476 years end on March 13, 32AD
plus 24 days, we get April 6, 32 AD Because:

Leap Year=119
Plain year per hundred = -4
Leap Year per 400 years = +1
Therefore Leap Years are 116 years and cause 116 days more
476 years x 365= 173,740
173,740+116=173,856
173880-173756=24 days
476 years of Gregorian Calendar ends on March 13, 32AD
Plus 24 days to March 13, 32AD reaches April 6, 32AD

April 6, 32 AD was the Sunday when Jesus entered Jerusalem and people welcomed Him with palm trees and Hosanna. It was Abib 10 when the Jewish priests took the lamb in their custody for the sacrifice.

The full moon on that month was April 14, Monday
However, we must allow that Jews didn't fix their calendar exactly on the astronomical calendar reflecting the Jewish Calendar and the Lunar Calendar.
1 year by Lunar Calendar is 354 days plus 12 hours 43 minutes and 3 seconds.
Jewish Calendar is just 354days plus leap months.
The Adjustment was made by 11 1/4 day
In the second year it would be 22 plus 1/2 days
In the third year it would be 33 plus 3/4 days
Now, if the Jews added one month as a leap month in that year, the 3 days plus 3/4 days are left.
So, even if the Full Moon was on April 14, 32 AD ( Monday) and the Nisan 14 could have been April 13, 32AD Sunday, Jews would have made their calendar so that April 10 or 11 might become Nisan 14, by deducting 3 3/4 days from April 14

Sir Robert Anderson concluded it was April 11, 32AD ( deducted 3 days) when Jesus was hung on the Cross because he believed Jesus died on Friday.

I have deducted 4 days from April 14 and reached April 10, Thursday when Jesus was crucified. When the even had come, it was the High Sabbath, Sabbath HaGadol and the High Sabbath lasted until the even of next day, Friday, and the Regular Sabbath started from the evening of Friday, April 11, and April 12 was Saturday and the Regular Sabbath.
Therefore Matthew 28:1 states Sabbatwn which means the plural of the Sabbaths.
So, Jesus was resurrected on April 13, 32AD, before the time of dawn on Sunday.
Jesus was in the tomb during Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night in accordance with Matthew 12:40.

April 13, Sunday, 32 AD was the Day of First-Fruits on which Jewish High Priest used to wave the Sheaf, which symbolizes the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. On that day Jesus was resurrected even before the High Priest waved the sheaf, I believe.
The Prophecy had come true exactly after the ending of 69 weeks.

Eliyahu

 

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69 weeks by Prophetic Years are 483 x 360 days= 173,880 days
1st Day of Nisan Month in 445BC was 14th March 445 BC.
173,880 days were 476 Years plus 24 days according to the Gregorian Calendar.
476 years end on March 13, 32AD
plus 24 days, we get April 6, 32 AD Because:

Leap Year=119
Plain year per hundred = -4
Leap Year per 400 years = +1
Therefore Leap Years are 116 years and cause 116 days more
476 years x 365= 173,740
173,740+116=173,856
173880-173756=24 days
476 years of Gregorian Calendar ends on March 13, 32AD
Plus 24 days to March 13, 32AD reaches April 6, 32AD

April 6, 32 AD was the Sunday when Jesus entered Jerusalem and people welcomed Him with palm trees and Hosanna. It was Abib 10 when the Jewish priests took the lamb in their custody for the sacrifice.

The full moon on that month was April 14, Monday
However, we must allow that Jews didn't fix their calendar exactly on the astronomical calendar reflecting the Jewish Calendar and the Lunar Calendar.
1 year by Lunar Calendar is 354 days plus 12 hours 43 minutes and 3 seconds.
Jewish Calendar is just 354days plus leap months.
The Adjustment was made by 11 1/4 day
In the second year it would be 22 plus 1/2 days
In the third year it would be 33 plus 3/4 days
Now, if the Jews added one month as a leap month in that year, the 3 days plus 3/4 days are left.
So, even if the Full Moon was on April 14, 32 AD ( Monday) and the Nisan 14 could have been April 13, 32AD Sunday, Jews would have made their calendar so that April 10 or 11 might become Nisan 14, by deducting 3 3/4 days from April 14

Sir Robert Anderson concluded it was April 11, 32AD ( deducted 3 days) when Jesus was hung on the Cross because he believed Jesus died on Friday.

I have deducted 4 days from April 14 and reached April 10, Thursday when Jesus was crucified. When the even had come, it was the High Sabbath, Sabbath HaGadol and the High Sabbath lasted until the even of next day, Friday, and the Regular Sabbath started from the evening of Friday, April 11, and April 12 was Saturday and the Regular Sabbath.
Therefore Matthew 28:1 states Sabbatwn which means the plural of the Sabbaths.
So, Jesus was resurrected on April 13, 32AD, before the time of dawn on Sunday.
Jesus was in the tomb during Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night in accordance with Matthew 12:40.

April 13, Sunday, 32 AD was the Day of First-Fruits on which Jewish High Priest used to wave the Sheaf, which symbolizes the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. On that day Jesus was resurrected even before the High Priest waved the sheaf, I believe.
The Prophecy had come true exactly after the ending of 69 weeks.

Eliyahu

Mark 14:12-16 was on 14th of Nisan. The 15th of Nisan began in Mark 14:17. Now the women made a supper 6 days before the 14th per John 12:1-2. The 8th Nisan. Because they made a supper that day was not a Sabbath. The next day John 12:12 would not be a Sunday that 9th of Nisan. Basic NT history.

 

[Eliyahu]

Mark 14:12-16 was on 14th of Nisan. The 15th of Nisan began in Mark 14:17. Now the women made a supper 6 days before the 14th per John 12:1-2. The 8th Nisan. Because they made a supper that day was not a Sabbath. The next day John 12:12 would not be a Sunday that 9th of Nisan. Basic NT history.

6 days before the Passover was 8th Nisan and it was the Friday during the day time. But as the meal was Deipnon ( δεῖπνον ), it was the Supper in the evening.
After the feast. the followings happened:

John 12:
9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.

10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;

11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.

Thereafter John 12:12 is mentioned:
12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

It doesn't say that on the next day after the day ahead of 6 days before the Passover, but simply on the next day. The starting point to count from is not specified, but when they finished the Deipnon ( Supper meal) it was already Sabbath.

Therefore the next day meant the First Day after the Sabbath, which was 10th Nisan.
This can be possible even if they started the meal early like 14:00 and finished the meal 17:00 and returned home then, because
the next day is the day after the Jews believed on Jesus and the Chief Priests consulted the Arrest of Jesus, not the next day after the 8th Nisan, not the next day after the Passover minus 6 days.
We can presume Chief Priests conspired the Arrest of Jesus on the Sabbath.

Again, Jesus had the Supper on 8th Nisan, then He took the rest on Sabbath, thereafter on 10th Nisan which was Sunday He entered Jerusalem with the chanting of Hosanna by the crowd.
This day was the completion of 173,880 days prophesied by Daniel, April 6, 32 AD

4 days later, Jesus was crucified on April 10, 32 AD, Thursday.

Eliyahu

 

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6 days before the Passover was 8th Nisan and it was the Friday during the day time. But as the meal was Deipnon ( δεῖπνον ), it was the Supper in the evening.
After the feast. the followings happened:

John 12:
9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.

10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;

11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.

Thereafter John 12:12 is mentioned:
12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

It doesn't say that on the next day after the day ahead of 6 days before the Passover, but simply on the next day. The starting point to count from is not specified, but when they finished the Deipnon ( Supper meal) it was already Sabbath.

Therefore the next day meant the First Day after the Sabbath, which was 10th Nisan.
This can be possible even if they started the meal early like 14:00 and finished the meal 17:00 and returned home then, because
the next day is the day after the Jews believed on Jesus and the Chief Priests consulted the Arrest of Jesus, not the next day after the 8th Nisan, not the next day after the Passover minus 6 days.
We can presume Chief Priests conspired the Arrest of Jesus on the Sabbath.

Again, Jesus had the Supper on 8th Nisan, then He took the rest on Sabbath, thereafter on 10th Nisan which was Sunday He entered Jerusalem with the chanting of Hosanna by the crowd.
This day was the completion of 173,880 days prophesied by Daniel, April 6, 32 AD

4 days later, Jesus was crucified on April 10, 32 AD, Thursday.

Eliyahu

Making up stuff not in the text. The 8th of Nisan 6 days before the Passover, per John 12:1-2. The next day is the 9th, John 12:12. Do not forget Mark 14:12-16 was the 14th of Nisan.

 

[Oseas3]

587 B.C. - Judah is conquered by Babylon - Jerusalem and First Temple destroyed; most Jews are exiled.

Later, Babylon was conquered by Cyrus-550 -539 B.C, and Cambises 530-522 B.C, and Darius-522-486 B.C.

Captivity of Israel-70 years ---> 587 B.C.- 70 = 517 B.C. (After 5 years Darius be placed as a king in Babylon)

In fact, according Scriptures, the rebuild of the Temple started with Cyrus and ended with Darius.

Scriptures reveal: Ezra 6:v.15-CJB-Complete Jewish Bible - 15 - This house was finished on the third day of the month Adar, in the sixth year of the reign of Daryavesh(Darius) the king. (Darius reigned from year 522-486 B.C.) 522-6 = 516 B.C. (end of the rebuild of the Temple) First year of Darius 522 B.C.---> AFTER his sixth year of government --> 516 B.C.

522 - 6 = 516 B.C. - the rebuilding of the Temple finished after 21 years IN THE YEAR 516 B.C, part was built in the time of Cyrus, and part in the time of Darius.



Again: Captivity of Israel - 70 years ---> 587 B.C.- 70 = 517 B.C. - The end of the rebuilding of the Temple was in 516 B.C. according to Scripture quoted above.- Ezra 6:v.15 quoted above

7 weeks = 49 years ........... ---> 517 B.C. - 49 = 468 B.C.

62 weeks = 434 years ....... ---> 468 B.C.- 434= 34 B.C.

There is a gap of 30 years from year 34 B.C. to the birth of JESUS around -4B.C. --> 34 BC-30 = - 4 B.C. - recognized date for the birth of JESUS.

Based in the description above, the Messiah was crucified (was cut off) around year 29 AD.

We are in the year 2021 AD, the week 70th of Daniel 9:v.27 that will be RULED BY THE EVIL PRINCE - Ezekiel 21:v.25 and 2 Thessalonians 2 - does not fulfilled yet, i.e. until now, until the current time, but it will in NEAR FUTURE. Get ready.

By the way,the theory JESUS was cut off in the middle of week 70th is fake,its a lie. Also the theory the Abomination of Desolation fulfilled itself in the profane sacrificies of Antiochus 167 B.C is fake, it is a misleading doctrine believed by many Christian people, unfortunately.

It's good to be ready.

Get ready

 

[poor-in-spirit]

In fact, according Scriptures, the rebuild of the Temple started with Cyrus

Very interesting: Commemorative Coin

 

[Oseas3]

Very interesting: Commemorative Coin

Yes, the Word of GOD is very interesting surely. The Word is GOD. Great mystery, no?

 

[poor-in-spirit]

Yes, the Word of GOD is very interesting surely. The Word is GOD. Great mystery, no?

Check the link friend, that is what I am referring to.

 

[Oseas3]

Check the link friend, that is what I am referring to.

What the former President of the USA did was to open the way and without know was giving support for the future manifestation of the future messiah of the Jews, an esoteric, and kabbalistic and spiritist messiah. John 5:v.43 to 47 combined with Revelation 13:v.11 to 18

 

[poor-in-spirit]

without know

I assume you meant "without knowing" and that is the interesting part, don't be so sure friend.

 

[Oseas3]

I assume you meant "without knowing" and that is the interesting part, don't be so sure friend.

Yes, perfect.

John 5:v.43 to 47 combined with Revelation 13:v.11 to 18 gave me sure of the literal fulfilment. The Word is GOD.

 

[agedman]

There is a long going issue on the interpertation and understanding of the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-26. The Hebrew Calendar has its complexity.
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Part of the problem with the ancient Jewish calendar was the lack of consistency.

For example, months were determined by the cycle of the moon which was determined by observations relayed to the priests.

It was not accurate as the current “scientific” calendars, but served the people’s needs to establish the yearly festivals and worship.

There was, just as our gentile calendar, a need to occasionally put in a leap year or two typically coinciding with the year of Jubilee or once every seven years.

None of that information is really that important.

However, what is important (to me) is the promise given to Daniel was valid. Therefore, other promises made by my Father are just as valid and should be taken with strict veracity.

 

[Oseas3]

Part of the problem with the ancient Jewish calendar was the lack of consistency.

For example, months were determined by the cycle of the moon which was determined by observations relayed to the priests.

It was not accurate as the current “scientific” calendars, but served the people’s needs to establish the yearly festivals and worship.

There was, just as our gentile calendar, a need to occasionally put in a leap year or two typically coinciding with the year of Jubilee or once every seven years.

None of that information is really that important.

However, what is important (to me) is the promise given to Daniel was valid. Therefore, other promises made by my Father are just as valid and should be taken with strict veracity.

The Jewish calendar is the type of calendar that the Jewish people use for counting time and commemorating birthdays, festivities, weddings, deaths, religious celebrations and other solemnities. According to the Hebrews, the years are counted from what they believe to be the creation of Adam.

Created over 3,000 years ago, the Jewish calendar is based on the movements of the Moon and the Sun, and is therefore a lunisolar calendar. In this way, months are counted from the lunar cycles, and years from the solar cycles. Therefore, years can range from 12 to 13 months, with 29 or 30 days.

In September 2021 of the Gregorian calendar, the year 5782 of the Jewish calendar began, exactly on September 6th, and the end will occur on September 26th, 2022 .

How to explain the difference of exactly 240 years in the Jewish calendar ?

Trying to answer the question by / through / according to biblical events, I found three interesting and suggestive happenings of Jewish History within the Bible, which certainly Jews dismiss without an explanation, perhaps because of shame at facts that are a stain on the nation's history of Israel.

Again: Trying to answer the question by / through / according to biblical events, I found three interesting and suggestive happenings of Israel's chatisements in Jewish History, within the Bible, as described below, each with its long period of time that certainly Jews discard without an explanation, perhaps because of shame of facts which are a stain on the history of the nation of Israel. (like their original fall; captivity; golden calf/idolatry/ rebellion against GOD)

1- The Jewish Calendar begins in Seth, not in Adam, so we have less 130 years here;

2- Jews do not consider their 40 years of wandering in the desert, from Egypt to the promised land;

3- They do not consider also their shameful 70 years of captivity in Babylon.

This explanation shows the why of the Jews calendar has an exact difference of 240 years as was above exposed.

What other explanation could there be that would justify this difference of EXACT 240 years?

I would like to know

 

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@agedman,

The Jewish calendar has its own rules

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[Oseas3]

1 Corinthians 2:v.6-9

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

 

[Oseas3]

[QUOTE="37818, post: 2751981, member: 14338"]@agedman,
The Jewish calendar has its own rules
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Jewish Calendar - How to explain the difference of exactly 240 years in the Jewish calendar?

based in the Word of GOD, the source of the Truth, on GOD's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years (Psalm 90:4; 2Pet.3:8; Heb. 4:4) so MANKIND, yeah, MANKIND, would go through six GODs' Days of 1000 years each (a total of 6000 years) plus a Millennium of 1000 years rest (now a total of 7000 years). Actually, Genesis is a Plan of GOD to restitution or restoration of all things-Acts 3:v.17 to 26-, according they were in the garden of Eden.

That said, in accord biblical Chronology, we can number our days beginning in Genesis chapter 5, as follow:

Adam lived …....................................................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived ………………………………..............105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived ........................................................90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived.........................................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ...................................................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived ........................................................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived ........................................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah
Methuselah lived...............................................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived ....................................................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood.....................600 yrs.
Total of years from Adam to the Flood =.........1656 years.

SIX PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES ----------------- DURATION

I - From Adam to the Flood------------------------1,656 years
II - From the Flood to Abraham---------------------427 years
III - From Abraham to Exodus-----------------------430 years-Gal.3:17
IV - From Exodus to king Saul ---------------------396 years
V - From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem -----------.508 years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus ---------.587 years

Thus, from Adam to the 1st coming of Jesus-.4,004 years
From Jesus to our days (Christian Calendar)-.2,023 years

Total from Adam to our days -----------------------6,027 years

VII - The seventh and last period begins now, in this current millennium, the turn from the sixth to the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day. The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 11:v.15 combined with Luke 20:v.35-36, and Revelation 5:v.10, Matthew 5:5, among other biblical references.

GOD BLESS

Be careful and get ready - Matthew 25:6 & 10

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