A Militia Group Detained Migrants at the Border. The ACLU Calls It Kidnapping

[FollowTheWay]

Agreed. They were however exercising their 2nd Amendment rights and also the New Mexico constitution's right to bear arms. There was just a video played on national television yesterday that showed some heavily armed smugglers bringing some Central Americans to the border, and this shows that the border area is indeed a dangerous place.

All Americans have the right to make "Citizen's Arrests" of people who are breaking the law and hold them for the authorities, now the authorities might not want them doing that, but they are doing it nonetheless.

They stopped exercising their Second Amendment rights when they took the law into their own hands and "arrested" the group of immigrants. Their leader was arrested and they were told not to get involved by Border Control and the NM Gov. That tells me they were operating illegally. What does it say to you?

 

[FollowTheWay]

We all know this asylum business is a ruse. Ninety percent of them are not in fear of being persecuted by their own governments and the idea is to get in here and not show up for their court hearing. I am sorry, but some woman in fear of getting beat up by her husband is not a matter that entitles her to sanctuary here in America, but it is a matter for the criminal justice system in her own country.

"You all agree." I don't.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Agreed. They were however exercising their 2nd Amendment rights and also the New Mexico constitution's right to bear arms. There was just a video played on national television yesterday that showed some heavily armed smugglers bringing some Central Americans to the border, and this shows that the border area is indeed a dangerous place.

All Americans have the right to make "Citizen's Arrests" of people who are breaking the law and hold them for the authorities, now the authorities might not want them doing that, but they are doing it nonetheless.

If you make a citizen's arrest in your town and a policeman comes up to you and says: "Please don't do that. You're only making the situation worse" what would you do? That's what happened in this border incident.

 

[Rob_BW]

The second amendment does not give anyone the right to take the law into their own hands. The FBI arrested the criminal leader of this militia and both the gov. and the Border Patrol said they are a hindrance to enforcing the law.

The leader was arrested for being a prior felon in possession of a firearm. So he's a moron, but it's not like his arrest was directly related to the events at the border. He wasn't arrested for kidnapping.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The leader was arrested for being a prior felon in possession of a firearm. So he's a moron, but it's not like his arrest was directly related to the events at the border. He wasn't arrested for kidnapping.

So you say it's OK for a prior felon to lead a militia taking the law into their own hands? We disagree.

 

[Adonia]

If you make a citizen's arrest in your town and a policeman comes up to you and says: "Please don't do that. You're only making the situation worse" what would you do? That's what happened in this border incident.

If that happened in my town, the police would then take custody of the criminal and charge the person with the appropriate crime for which I had detained him. Just like the Border Patrol did, they took those illegals into custody.

 

[Adonia]

"You all agree." I don't.

According to the international conventions which we have signed, the person requests asylum in the first country in which they arrive at. They have no right to just go to the country they want to go to and bypass countries in which they don't want to stay.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

FTW, what the NM's Governor & AG thinks is interesting but is legally immaterial. I haven't read that the AG is charging any of the militia with false imprisonment, assault, or brandishing a weapon. Those are the usual charges laid against overzealous security guards. These charges are at a state level. So, if the AG is so concerned with the legalities of this group's actions, he has plenty to charge them with. (But, he hasn't.)
RE: the Fed. Yes, the leader was arrested on firearms violations. But, kidnapping is a big-time Federal crime. So, if there was any prosecutorial substance to the kidnapping charge, the FBI could and would have brought those charges in a heartbeat. Again, the ACLU's comments have no legal standing.

 

[Adonia]

They stopped exercising their Second Amendment rights when they took the law into their own hands and "arrested" the group of immigrants. Their leader was arrested and they were told not to get involved by Border Control and the NM Gov. That tells me they were operating illegally. What does it say to you?

Their 2nd Amendment rights do not go away just because they have arrested these people via the "citizen's arrest" procedure.

Their leader was arrested for being a felon in possession of a firearm - and rightfully so. The Border Patrol and the NM Gov. can't be telling citizens where they can and cannot go on public lands minus some emergency reason, and if these people were on private land then as long as they have the permission of the owner there would be no problem there either.

So no, I do not believe they were operating illegally.

 

[Rob_BW]

So you say it's OK for a prior felon to lead a militia taking the law into their own hands? We disagree.

Where did I say that?

You posted that he had been arrested, and in a way that could be read as the feds arrested him in connection with the stuff going on at the border.

I just put it out that his arrest was not directly connected to the detaining of illegals at the border.

For the record, I don’t think people should break laws, whether they're felons in possession of firearms or they're foreigners entering the country illegally.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Their 2nd Amendment rights do not go away just because they have arrested these people via the "citizen's arrest" procedure.

Their leader was arrested for being a felon in possession of a firearm - and rightfully so. The Border Patrol and the NM Gov. can't be telling citizens where they can and cannot go on public lands minus some emergency reason, and if these people were on private land then as long as they have the permission of the owner there would be no problem there either.

So no, I do not believe they were operating illegally.

(LAS CRUCES, N.M.) — The leader of an armed group that has been detaining asylum-seeking families from Central America near the Mexican border said two years ago that he was training supporters to assassinate Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and billionaire Democratic supporter George Soros, according to a criminal complaint filed Monday.

The FBI declined to comment on why it waited to bring charges against Larry Hopkins following a search in 2017 but his arrest follows widespread criticism after videos surfaced of their members carrying firearms and detaining groups of immigrants crossing the border.

 

[Rob_BW]

You left off the link.

 

[FollowTheWay]

You left off the link.

Time Mag.

Border Militia Leader Boasted of Assassination Plans: FBI

 

[Alcott]

Time Mag.

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