A novice wants me to talk to someone else...

[Alan Gross]

As a World Religious person and Bible expert, would you agree that there is one universal church represented in the Bible and the same message is in most every Bible version, without any real loss of any doctrine?

So, all are in the church and no one Bible is without errors that make it a completely dependable translation, or that no Bible is going to be 'Inspired'?

That would essentially be a representation to the World that Jesus doesn't carry on the business of God anywhere in particular and that everybody, who's a Christian, is a 'light on a candlestick', and regardless of any poison in the pot of a book, the Bible is the Bible in dozens and hundreds of different versions and we should respect that?

And, with that being the perspective of College taught Bible experts, then to the lost crazy looking barbaric World we see on the news, they must also really see the two witnesses of The Lord's Churches, like He had at one time, in The New Testament, and His Word, Purified by fire, as if:

"the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,... "

Revelation 11:7b,8a

 

[agedman]

As a World Religious person and Bible expert, would you agree that there is one universal church represented in the Bible and the same message is in most every Bible version, without any real loss of any doctrine?

As being neither a "World Religious person" nor a "Bible expert" because I do not know the use of the terms, I can say there are two universal assemblies found in the Scriptures. One is that of this world, and all that pertains to the worship of the god of this world. The other is that which is of Christ.

So, all are in the church and no one Bible is without errors that make it a completely dependable translation, or that no Bible is going to be 'Inspired'?

Do not forget that the assembly is made up of both wheat and tares and not all in the assembly are redeemed.

Bible reliability is intricately woven into experienced living by the believer. That is because one experiences the living Word in some area, reliance is placed upon that which has not yet been experienced yet expressed in that Word.

That would essentially be a representation to the World that Jesus doesn't carry on the business of God anywhere in particular and that everybody, who's a Christian, is a 'light on a candlestick', and regardless of any poison in the pot of a book, the Bible is the Bible in dozens and hundreds of different versions and we should respect that?

At this point, I have a rather strong disagreement. Jesus/God is very specific when it comes to the business of God. God doesn't just willy nilly conduct business.

What is agreeable is that when believers spread the Word of God, it is without regard to where the seed lands (thinking of the parable of the sower).

The light is not to be hid, and is not to be dimmed by inappropriate character. It is that the light of God's Word in us spoken by the redeemed that God uses. Not that the printed word is not valued, but without the speaking and living the printed page can be read by the printer with little effect.

And, with that being the perspective of College taught Bible experts, then to the lost crazy looking barbaric World we see on the news, they must also really see the two witnesses of The Lord's Churches, like He had at one time, in The New Testament, and His Word, Purified by fire, as if:

"the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,... "

Revelation 11:7b,8a

NO! You totally muddle by confusion the statement of the two witnesses in the Rev.

The two witnesses are not the Word and the New Testament.

The two witnesses are physical human beings endowed by God with great authority, which will be slain, and the world has a great party in celebration. Which celebration is alarmingly interrupted when the two slain are resurrected and taken into heaven.

 

[Alan Gross]

As being neither a "World Religious person" nor a "Bible expert" because I do not know the use of the terms, I can say there are two universal assemblies found in the Scriptures. One is that of this world, and all that pertains to the worship of the god of this world. The other is that which is of Christ.



Do not forget that the assembly is made up of both wheat and tares and not all in the assembly are redeemed.

Bible reliability is intricately woven into experienced living by the believer. That is because one experiences the living Word in some area, reliance is placed upon that which has not yet been experienced yet expressed in that Word.



At this point, I have a rather strong disagreement. Jesus/God is very specific when it comes to the business of God. God doesn't just willy nilly conduct business.

What is agreeable is that when believers spread the Word of God, it is without regard to where the seed lands (thinking of the parable of the sower).

The light is not to be hid, and is not to be dimmed by inappropriate character. It is that the light of God's Word in us spoken by the redeemed that God uses. Not that the printed word is not valued, but without the speaking and living the printed page can be read by the printer with little effect.



NO! You totally muddle by confusion the statement of the two witnesses in the Rev.

The two witnesses are not the Word and the New Testament.

The two witnesses are physical human beings endowed by God with great authority, which will be slain, and the world has a great party in celebration. Which celebration is alarmingly interrupted when the two slain are resurrected and taken into heaven.

The last thing God needs is 'Bible preachers' working for The Beast, telling the lost World that the women who fled into the wilderness and His More Sure Word of Prophecy are dead.

 

[agedman]

The last thing God needs is 'Bible preachers' working for The Beast, telling the lost World that the women who fled into the wilderness and His More Sure Word of Prophecy are dead.

What an unfortunate view of the Revelation you are presenting!

Are all preterist folks as confused in presenting the Revelation in light of all OT prophecy?

 

[Alan Gross]

What an unfortunate view of the Revelation you are presenting!

Are all preterist folks as confused in presenting the Revelation in light of all OT prophecy?

You don't see you Two Dead Witnesses Resurrected, in your face?

Do see this as The Revelation of John the Apostile, or not?

 

[Alan Gross]

What an unfortunate view of the Revelation you are presenting!

Are all preterist folks as confused in presenting the Revelation in light of all OT prophecy?

What is a prete... whatever?

 

[agedman]

You don't see you Two Dead Witnesses Resurrected, in your face?

Do see this as The Revelation of John the Apostile, or not?

Not in the slightest.

Why should it not be true?

Is a virgin conceiving “in your face” to be discarded?

Is a resurrection of one crucified to be discarded?

When do you place the limits upon what is just too “in your face” to be believed?

 

[agedman]

What is a prete... whatever?

What is the Preterist View?

I and others consider this view heretical.

 

[Alan Gross]

What is the Preterist View?

I and others consider this view heretical.

Nah, that's just the opposite mistake that you make.

Both eliminate the Bible Passages from having any Practical Application.

They just skip The Bible.

One skips The Bible by fast-forwarding everything, the other skips The Bible backwards.

The Book of Revelation is the most Practical Bible Book Written.

It was Written for people living, now, to be Entirely Comforted.

That's the main message, not The Return of Christ, much less, 'already here', or will 'Return' 7 times, in the future, in different ways.

 

[Alan Gross]

What is the Preterist View?

I and others consider this view heretical.

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Jesus Answered 3 questions in this Passage.

Any Interpretation references for the meaning within each Section, to explain how the Answer relates to the question, is provided by The Bible.

Any Human Being that follows the plain Divine Interpretation of Matthew 24 can understand God's Messages there.

Deviations are ridiculous and lead to innummerable errors and heretical monstrosities.

These are the Sections, in Matthew 24, which answer the Disciples questions, from Matthew 24:3b.

Matthew 24:4-14 "Tell us, when shall these things be?"

i. e., The Temple torn down.

Matthew 24:15-34 "and what shall be the sign of thy coming",

i. e., in Providential Judgment upon The Jews, in The Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel, in Daniel 9.

Matthew 24:35-51 "and of the end of the world?"

i.e., The End of The World.

Any man who will not dig in Matthew 24 and see what God Teaches has no business teaching errors they make up.

No matter who it is.

Each Passage of The Bible has One Interpretation, as to what it meant by the Person Speaking, at the Time in History They Spoke it.

In this case, Jesus.

This is the One Divine Interpretation of Matthew 24. There are no others.

He also Spoke in other places throughout the Gospels, like when He is going to Separate the sheep from the goats, and It Is All Over, in Matthew 13, for example, at The End of The World, when He Returns in Judgment, which could be tonight, as a theif in the night.

 

[37818]

The two witnesses are physical human beings . . .

Revelation 11:4, ". . . These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. . . ."
Matthew 17:3, ". . . behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with Him. . . ." Identified.
John 1:9-10, ". . . the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. . . ."

 

[David Kent]

Revelation 11:4, ". . . These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. . . ."

• Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

The 2 witnessses, candlesticks, are churches. The seven candlesticks represent the entire church, the two witnesses/candlesticks represent the chuirch in its state before the reformation. The papacy thought they had wiped out the witnessing church and celebrated the claim by offering gifts. Then came the reformation and the witnessing church was resurrected. The papacy claimed the heretics were resurrected in Luther.