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Van

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Finding fault with others, but not presenting a clear position held is dubious. Most would agree, I am against false doctrine!

But what is the true doctrine being advocated?
 
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GentleGospeller

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Van said:
Finding fault with others, but not presenting a clear position held is dubious. Most would agree, I am against false doctrine!

But what is the true doctrine being advocated?
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If any look for the mystery of the poem, and desire to plainly see,
The image thereof carries the clues, having one, nay two, maybe three;
So pervasive and practiced in plain sight, a wicked doctrine therein lies,
That for most it will remain hidden, till God opens their eyes.
 
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The 'arbi-traitor' actually said catholics do not worship Mary, to which I replied:

Catholics 'do not worship Mary'? Have you ever heard of hyper-dulia?

"... the Most August Virgin Mary ... this Divine Mother ... Yet our manner of praying to the Blessed Virgin has something in common with our worship of God, so that the Church even addresses to her the words with which we pray to God: "Have mercy on sinners." ... the heavenly choirs, "above whom the Holy Mother of God is exalted." ...” [LEO XIII - AUGUSTISSIMAE VIRGINIS MARIAE; ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII; ON THE CONFRATERNITY OF THE HOLY ROSARY] - Augustissimae Virginis Mariae (September 12, 1897) | LEO XIII & On the Confraternity of the Holy Rosary - Papal Encyclicals​

I found his comment rather amusing, and quite uninformed.
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You are uninformed, this is not Latria which is the worship Adoration of God alone.

There is a huge distinction.
 
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GentleGospeller said:
If any look for the mystery of the poem, and desire to plainly see,
The image thereof carries the clues, having one, nay two, maybe three;
So pervasive and practiced in plain sight, a wicked doctrine therein lies,
That for most it will remain hidden, till God opens their eyes.
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I did not see where you disclosed the doctrine being advocated.
 
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Cathode said:
You are uninformed, this is not Latria which is the worship Adoration of God alone.

There is a huge distinction.
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If you had read my reply, I specifically said "hyper dulia", knowing the distinction that Romanists make between 'dulia', 'hyper dulia' and 'latria'. However, you and I both know, there is no actual difference in the terms, though Rome surely does try.
 
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Van said:
I did not see where you disclosed the doctrine being advocated.
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Disclosure is plain, if you followed where I directed any to look,
And once this is done, the message may be read as an open book;
Howbeit once more, I shall endeavor to enlighten and make revealed,
Look at the scored, separated and supreme, the under layer is now no longer concealed.
 
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GentleGospeller said:
If you had read my reply, I specifically said "hyper dulia", knowing the distinction that Romanists make between 'dulia', 'hyper dulia' and 'latria'. However, you and I both know, there is no actual difference in the terms, though Rome surely does try.
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Yes there is. The Bible makes the distinction, it’s biblical.

Deut 6:13 “13 Yahweh your God is the one you must fear, him alone you must serve (Latria, Latrevo greek), his is the name by which you must swear.”

Jesus even quotes this verse, this the exclusive worship and service rendered to God Alone.

This is the biblical reason Catholics, Orthodox and even Coptic Churches have made the distinction, all the ancient Churches.

Doulia, and hyper doulia, we practice today in society, is reserved for creatures.

It could be as little as “ Thankyou for your service “ Honouring veterans.

Dulia

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Or a High award, or ticker tape parade honouring people for extreme bravery, and doing something extraordinary.

Hyper Dulia

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Hyper Dulia, first man to walk on another world.

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We have graduated honours ourselves, some low, and less frequently some the highest and special.
 
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GentleGospeller said:
Disclosure is plain, if you followed where I directed any to look,
And once this is done, the message may be read as an open book;
Howbeit once more, I shall endeavor to enlighten and make revealed,
Look at the scored, separated and supreme, the under layer is now no longer concealed.
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Anyone can post a word salad to avoid disclosure of their agenda. Not the way of the Lord.
 
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GentleGospeller said:
Mary Worshippers Are Idolators.
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I agree, Catholics hold false doctrines. But I suspect we all see through the glass darkly, and might cling to some Christian mythologies. Some believe water baptism is necessary for salvation. Some believe we were saved or damned from all eternity for all eternity and there is nothing we can do to alter that outcome for ourselves or our loved one.

I present what I believe, and Lord knows, many other posters say "taint so."

It is just that they often are a little light on saying specifically what is so. :)
 
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Van said:
I agree, Catholics hold false doctrines. But I suspect we all see through the glass darkly, and might cling to some Christian mythologies. Some believe water baptism is necessary for salvation. Some believe we were saved or damned from all eternity for all eternity and there is nothing we can do to alter that outcome for ourselves or our loved one.

I present what I believe, and Lord knows, many other posters say "taint so."

It is just that they often are a little light on saying specifically what is so. :)
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I told you and I do not think you see it yet. Look at each First Letter in each word in the poem.
 
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Yeah that never that happened - To start you off, see American Moon by Massimo Mazzucco (but I doubt you'll actually watch the thing, or even be able to discuss it scientifically) -
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You really don’t believe lunar missions happened?

Saw your vid, it didn’t impress me much.

We knew one of the guys in Parkes, they had to align their Dish extremely precisely to pick up the signal from the lander. There was no faking that. Also they were tracking the craft on its way to the moon.
Hundreds of Australian engineers, technicians and support staff involved across Australia, so no, it wasn’t faked. Australians wouldn’t involve themselves in a BS conspiracy like this, someone would have talked.

I’d say you have fallen for Soviet propaganda.
 
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You really don’t believe lunar missions happened?

Saw your vid, it didn’t impress me much.

We knew one of the guys in Parkes, they had to align their Dish extremely precisely to pick up the signal from the lander. There was no faking that. Also they were tracking the craft on its way to the moon.
Hundreds of Australian engineers, technicians and support staff involved across Australia, so no, it wasn’t faked. Australians wouldn’t involve themselves in a BS conspiracy like this, someone would have talked.

I’d say you have fallen for Soviet propaganda.
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Australia was "NASA" - Why Australia? - Australia & Apollo 11

It was not Australian government.

Parkes - The Dish would have you believe the first pictures from the Moon came from Parkes. They didn't

"There was no faking that." - It's the same signal. LEO and UEA relay, and whatever feed NASA was beaming down from any other orbiting satellite.

"Hundreds of Australian engineers, technicians and support staff involved across Australia, so no, it wasn’t faked." - All irrelevant, since that is a fallacy. They didn't have to be in the know. They only had to be doing their individual compartmental jobs, just like the Manahattan Project.

"Australians wouldn’t involve themselves in a BS conspiracy like this, someone would have talked." - They got the same info, the same way.

"I’d say you have fallen for Soviet propaganda." - The Soviets were already working with the US behind the cold war, which was a front propaganda. The Soviets were already attempting 'space' flight, and faking other things, and hiding their own misfortunes (deaths).

Just like I said. You weren't even prepared to discuss it scientifically, you just attempted to hand wave it away.

Also, American Samoa was used as a military port, since it has both deepwater dock, and airport, for large aircraft, which can take off and land there, which creates the illusion of a 'halo' drop, or faking atmospheric entry (no one is out there). - 50 Years Ago: Apollo 12 Return to Houston - NASA

Like I said. No. The lunar missions never actually happened. Bart Sibrel, also has unique footage and information sent anonymously from NASA (JPL), etc. He has his newest book out.
 
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GentleGospeller said:
Australia was "NASA" - Why Australia? - Australia & Apollo 11

It was not Australian government.

Parkes - The Dish would have you believe the first pictures from the Moon came from Parkes. They didn't

"There was no faking that." - It's the same signal. LEO and UEA relay, and whatever feed NASA was beaming down from any other orbiting satellite.

"Hundreds of Australian engineers, technicians and support staff involved across Australia, so no, it wasn’t faked." - All irrelevant, since that is a fallacy. They didn't have to be in the know. They only had to be doing their individual compartmental jobs, just like the Manahattan Project.

"Australians wouldn’t involve themselves in a BS conspiracy like this, someone would have talked." - They got the same info, the same way.

"I’d say you have fallen for Soviet propaganda." - The Soviets were already working with the US behind the cold war, which was a front propaganda. The Soviets were already attempting 'space' flight, and faking other things, and hiding their own misfortunes (deaths).

Just like I said. You weren't even prepared to discuss it scientifically, you just attempted to hand wave it away.

Also, American Samoa was used as a military port, since it has both deepwater dock, and airport, for large aircraft, which can take off and land there, which creates the illusion of a 'halo' drop, or faking atmospheric entry (no one is out there). - 50 Years Ago: Apollo 12 Return to Houston - NASA

Like I said. No. The lunar missions never actually happened. Bart Sibrel, also has unique footage and information sent anonymously from NASA (JPL), etc. He has his newest book out.
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You’ve headed off into the weeds on this one mate, Parkes tracked the vehicle with very narrow perimeters, the signals were lunar in origin, not some imagined satellite.

Not wasting anymore time on lunacy.

Latria was the point I was defending anyway.
 
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