A question about Calvinism

[webdog]

methinks this phrase is favored by you too much! I have dealt with what you said. You really must take this Strawman, Lion, Tinman, and dog toto and follow the yellow brick road.

It is a favorite, particularly when they are just that, like...

So you're saying that the ability you have to believe is what saves which is a type of work rather than the working of God.

If you think you dealt with what I actually said...your comprehension is lacking

 

[webdog]

double post

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Proof (and not intellectual man's philosphy...biblical proof). You have been given Scripture stating the opposite, that faith is NEVER a work, yet you would rather hold onto man's definition's than God's. Quite sad. If God has given you the ability to have faith, it is never a work. There is no such thing as "self ability".

See this is at issue. You want to describe what you mean by faith by what the scripture is saying about faith. The thing is a calvinist will tell you that how you view faith is not how scriptures view faith. Faith is a gift a free gift given. The fact is you can't even receive that gift unless the Holy Spirit shows you that you need that gift. Once he does that the Holy Spirit will enable you to recieve that gift and use it as he wills. Now that is what a Calvinist is saying. Your saying that you all along have had the power to make the decision to accept faith or not based on your ability to understand what God is talking about. A Calvinist will say that you can't even comprehend God unless God first does something. A Calvinist will then tell you that it is you that rely on your ability to understand without total reliance on God who gives the faith to begin with. Just because a passage uses a word you use does not mean it means the samething you mean.

 

[OldRegular]

Your failure to actually support this lame notion does not constitute truth, and don't pull the Eph. 2:8-9 card...it doesn't support the "gift of faith".

:tear::tear::tear::tear:

 

[Rippon]

... and don't pull the Eph. 2:8-9 card...it doesn't support the "gift of faith".

WD would probaby say :

Don't pull the Eph.1:4,5,11 card -- it doesn't support predestination.

Don't pull the Acts 13:48 card -- it doesn't support the Calvinistic doctrine of certain people being ordained to eternal life before they believed.

Don't pull the John 10:11-48 card -- it doesn't in the least mean what it says about Christ laying down His life for His sheep.

Don't pull the John 17:9 card -- it doesn't really mean that Christ was not praying for the world.

 

[OldRegular]

WD would probaby say :

Don't pull the Eph.1:4,5,11 card -- it doesn't support predestination.

Don't pull the Acts 13:48 card -- it doesn't support the Calvinistic doctrine of certain people being ordained to eternal life before they believed.

Don't pull the John 10:11-48 card -- it doesn't in the least mean what it says about Christ laying down His life for His sheep.

Don't pull the John 17:9 card -- it doesn't really mean that Christ was not praying for the world.

A big thumbs up....:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[webdog]

You want to describe what you mean by faith by what the scripture is saying about faith. The thing is a calvinist will tell you that how you view faith is not how scriptures view faith. Faith is a gift a free gift given.

Calvinist or not, proper context and understanding is needed. In Eph. 2:8-9, it is widely accepted by cal's and non cal's alike that the "gift" referred to is not faith, but salvation (you are saved through faith). The greek supports that notion, not the gift of faith.

 

[webdog]

WD would probaby say :

Don't pull the Eph.1:4,5,11 card -- it doesn't support predestination.

Don't pull the Acts 13:48 card -- it doesn't support the Calvinistic doctrine of certain people being ordained to eternal life before they believed.

Don't pull the John 10:11-48 card -- it doesn't in the least mean what it says about Christ laying down His life for His sheep.

Don't pull the John 17:9 card -- it doesn't really mean that Christ was not praying for the world.

You are right...I would say your interpretation of those verses does not support your view and is in error.

 

[TomMann]

WD would probaby say :

Don't pull the Eph.1:4,5,11 card -- it doesn't support predestination.

Don't pull the Acts 13:48 card -- it doesn't support the Calvinistic doctrine of certain people being ordained to eternal life before they believed.

Don't pull the John 10:11-48 card -- it doesn't in the least mean what it says about Christ laying down His life for His sheep.

Don't pull the John 17:9 card -- it doesn't really mean that Christ was not praying for the world.

I remember reading of someone who once said, Don't pull that "day you eat there of" card -- it doesn't really mean thou shalt surely die!

 

[webdog]

I remember reading of someone who once said, Don't pull that "day you eat there of" card -- it doesn't really mean thou shalt surely die!

Are you equating me with the serpent, Mr. TomMann?

 

[rsr]

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