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AustinC

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Konstantin said:
There is no such verse in the Bible. This verse is:

"And Abishua begate Bukki, and Bukki begate Uzzi" (1Chr.6:5) (AVKJV1611)

One cannot know the prophetic meaning of all the verses in the Bible. People will live on this Earth for another 1050 years and will be revealing the secrets of the Bible.

The Bible has more than just the exact order of books, chapters, and verses. The Bible indicates prophetic contexts (paragraphs) in chapters.
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I quoted the verse. You may not like the ESV as your preferred English translation, but that is the verse as devised by King James translators who added chapters and verse numbers.
The point is, you have made an unsubstantiated assertion. I'm sure you believe what you say, but you cannot prove your assertion, nor can you say God agrees with you.
There are prophetic verses. But, not every verse is prophetic.
 
Squire Robertsson

Squire Robertsson

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AustinC said:
, SNIP but that is the verse as devised by King James translators who added chapters and verse numbers.SNIP
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Sorry, but the translators of the AV1611 did not add the chapters and verses. The chapter and verse divisions were well in place for 2 or 3 hundred years before the AV1611. They were developed to aid in the dividing up the Scriptures for the Lectionaries.
 
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Konstantin

Member
AustinC said:
I quoted the verse. You may not like the ESV as your preferred English translation, but that is the verse as devised by King James translators who added chapters and verse numbers.
The point is, you have made an unsubstantiated assertion. I'm sure you believe what you say, but you cannot prove your assertion, nor can you say God agrees with you.
There are prophetic verses. But, not every verse is prophetic.
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I'm not going to prove anything to you. The person who seeks the truth will find it; a person who is looking for something else will wear it too. There is no third.
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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Konstantin said:
"Each Bible verse has a prophetic meaning, and it does not depend on the time of writing the book, and the section in which it entered. So, 99.9% of all Bible prophecies are still awaiting fulfillment. They are a detailed description of the most important events that will take place in heaven and on earth during the harvest and on the DAY of Pentecost. This is a description of the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and making of the New Testament, this is a description of the events of the future 1000 years of the peace and especially its last days. If a person does not understand “the wordes of the prophesie of this booke,” then he does not believe the Scriptures, does not believe the Author of the Scriptures, with all the ensuing consequences.

The people of Israel, having all the necessary prophecies about the birth of Jesus Christ, did not recognize Him. This is a prototype of the future time; history will repeat itself. The people of Israel will not recognize Christ who now comes from the tribe of Joseph.

Blessing his sons, Jacob foretold the fate of his descendants. With his words, the Scripture speaks of the fate of the twelve tribes of Israel during the harvest period of 49 years, during the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the next Millennium of peace. However, Jacob, unlike the rest of the predictions, actually blessed Joseph. And that was a special blessing. It exceeded the blessings of his ancestors to the utmost limit. Scripture prophetically says that Jesus Christ “preuailed aboue his brethren ... but the birthright” was transferred to another. Who is he?

“For Iudah preuailed aboue his brethren, and of him came the chiefe rulers, but the birthright was Iosephs” (1Chr.5:2).

According to the prophecies, a Shepherd should come from the tribe of Joseph to Israel, he is the Anointed of the God of Jacob. The Almighty will bless him with “blessings of heauen aboue, blessings of the deepe that lyeth vnder, blessings of the breasts and of the wombe.” (Gen. 49:25). He is promised fruitfulness, victory and prosperity.

Scripture calls him: an Euangelist (2 Tim.4: 5) (KJV1611); messenger (Luke 7:27); a faithfull witnesse (Ps. 89:37); the Apostle (Heb. 3: 1); Christ (Rev. 11:15), Anoynted (Ps. 2: 2), (Ps. 89); a Prophet vnto the nations (Jer. 1: 5); seruant (Is. 42: 1); the first borne (Ps. 89:27), (1 Chronicles 5: 1,2); the Just one (Acts 7:52); righteous seruant (Is.53: 11); the Sheapheard (Gen. 49:22-26); a lambe (Is. 53: 7); the Prince (Ezek. 44: 2,3); the Prince of life (Acts 3:15); Prince Michael (Dan.10:21); the Holy one of Israel (Is.47:4); “the man whose name is the Branch” (Zech. 3.6); a righteous branch (Jer. 23: 5); The Lord Our Righteousnes (Jer. 23: 6)."

Maybe someone has thoughts on this?
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The born again can see most prophecies have already been fulfilled.
 
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Konstantin

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Squire Robertsson said:
Sorry, but the translators of the AV1611 did not add the chapters and verses. The chapter and verse divisions were well in place for 2 or 3 hundred years before the AV1611. They were developed to aid in the dividing up the Scriptures for the Lectionaries.
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In the inspired text of the Bible, chapters are also divided into paragraphs (¶) The paragraph separates the prophetic context.

GENESIS CHAPTER 1 KJV-
 
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AustinC

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Konstantin said:
I'm not going to prove anything to you. The person who seeks the truth will find it; a person who is looking for something else will wear it too. There is no third.
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You have spoke falsely, Konstantin. It is you who has the responsibility to prove your claim. I provided a verse. There is no prophecy in that verse.
 
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AustinC

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Konstantin said:
No.
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Funny how you didn't quote my entire post. Let's recap:

"You have spoke falsely, Konstantin. It is you who has the responsibility to prove your claim. I provided a verse. There is no prophecy in that verse."

Not every word or verse in the Bible is prophetic. Your claim is demonstrably false. Yet, you choose to die on that hill, claiming something that not even God himself claims.
 
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Konstantin

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AustinC said:
Funny how you didn't quote my entire post. Let's recap:

"You have spoke falsely, Konstantin. It is you who has the responsibility to prove your claim. I provided a verse. There is no prophecy in that verse."

Not every word or verse in the Bible is prophetic. Your claim is demonstrably false. Yet, you choose to die on that hill, claiming something that not even God himself claims.
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No, I have not told a lie and I have not any responsibility to you.
 
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Quantrill

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This topic is interesting. And I think Konstantin may be on to something, though I am not taking sides at this point. Hasn't anyone here ever read a New Testament quote from the Old, and then wondered how in the world was that prophetic. Or how in the world would anyone have known it was prophetic.

One that comes to mind is (Matt. 2:17-18) quoting (Jer. 31:15). I know I have run across others before but don't remember them now. I will try and find them.

Quantrill
 
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Konstantin

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Quantrill said:
This topic is interesting. And I think Konstantin may be on to something, though I am not taking sides at this point. Hasn't anyone here ever read a New Testament quote from the Old, and then wondered how in the world was that prophetic. Or how in the world would anyone have known it was prophetic.

One that comes to mind is (Matt. 2:17-18) quoting (Jer. 31:15). I know I have run across others before but don't remember them now. I will try and find them.

Quantrill
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"Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not" (Matt.2:18)

This prophecy will come true a few days. There will be a rapture of "Church of the first born" (Heb.12:23). Rachel here is the prototype of all the local churches that will remain on earth during the time of tribulation. Children is a sheafe of the first fruits of the harvest (Lev.23:10), or faithful (Rev17:14).
 
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Quantrill

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Konstantin said:
"Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not" (Matt.2:18)

This prophecy will come true a few days. There will be a rapture of "Church of the first born" (Heb.12:23). Rachel here is the prototype of all the local churches that will remain on earth during the time of tribulation. Children is a sheafe of the first fruits of the harvest (Lev.23:10), or faithful (Rev17:14).
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I'm not so sure about that. (Matthew 2:17) indicates that the slaying of the children by Herod was the 'fulfillment' of that prophecy.

Types can certainly be prophetic. But then one will base the 'type' on his method of interpretation. So if the method of interpretation is flawed, or different, so will be the type.

You speak of the Rapture and the Tribulation. I hold to these also as yet future events. But, I would disagree as to the churches in (Revelation) representing Rachel. I am Dispensational in doctrine for the most part. I don't mix the Church and Israel. So I would always see 'Rachael weeping for her children' being those of Israel.

Quantrill
 
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Konstantin

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Quantrill said:
I'm not so sure about that. (Matthew 2:17) indicates that the slaying of the children by Herod was the 'fulfillment' of that prophecy.

Types can certainly be prophetic. But then one will base the 'type' on his method of interpretation. So if the method of interpretation is flawed, or different, so will be the type.

You speak of the Rapture and the Tribulation. I hold to these also as yet future events. But, I would disagree as to the churches in (Revelation) representing Rachel. I am Dispensational in doctrine for the most part. I don't mix the Church and Israel. So I would always see 'Rachael weeping for her children' being those of Israel.

Quantrill
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The future time will be 49 years, not 7. The conventional interpretation is wrong. The last 7 years of this period are determined for Israel. This is Daniel's 70th week. ALL people who will participate in the rapture of the Church of the first born will know this date to one sekunda. More A righteous branch, Part 1
 
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Konstantin

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AustinC said:
You said that every verse is prophetic. Nowhere is that statement made in scripture, nor is it implied. Therefore, you have made a false assertion.
Kill your pride and admit you are wrong.
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If the prophetic meaning of the Bible verses is closed to you by God, then you are unable to understand what they imply.
 
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AustinC

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Konstantin said:
If the prophetic meaning of the Bible verses is closed to you by God, then you are unable to understand what they imply.
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They aren't prophetic. And, when I asked, you had no clue.
Therefore, God has never claimed that every verse is prophetic. You have no clue what is prophetic. And the specific verse is a list of who fathered who. No prophesy.
Konstantin, every reader can now clearly see you are wrong in that assertion. I wash my sandals. Live in your pride if you must.

Peace

This is my last post on this thread.
 
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