A Traitor is Honored

That's right, LadyEagle, and we're coming to get you!!

Regards,
BiR (your LIBERAL brother-in-Christ)

 

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I do, all the time, lol. :laugh:

Thanks for your comments. :flower:

 

LadyEagle,

To usurp a good quote from a bad guy,
"We are not going argue with you, we are going to captivate you."

Have a great week,
BiR (who thinks he is headed out of town this week, but is not sure)

 

Sad... Really SAd! I just lost my desire to hang out on the boards tonight.

 

Forgive me? For behaving in a manner better than you behaved? Why thank you for commending my behavior.

The irony is that Jane was willing to give up about $2 to $3 million* (a mere month's lost wages for the trip of a high paid actress) of today's money to make her political statement. Ironically, if she really was contrite she should be willing to spend $200,000 advertising her apology. Less than 10% of what she was willing to expend upon defaming the American soldier would buy some credibility to her contriteness. If she had truly been that kind of contrite, I am fairly certain that most news networks would have picked up on the story.

A further irony is that I hold no ill will towards Jane. I never have held ill will towards Jane. But, I do not consider a rumor that she has apologized to count as strongly as her infamous trip. She was merely one of many stupid and ignorant young actors that believe their fame is more important than the dignity of our soldiers.

As I wrote, she was willing to expend a very large free photo opportunity for the communist regime. Try and pay her to come visit you . . . with or without an apology.

* the speaker circuit lists many speakers of significantly lessor fame for 50k and up for a speech . . .

 

Wayne, bottom line is you don't get to make the rules, Jane has made her apolgies and has asked to be forgiven and now it is time to move on. Jane did actually apologize, that part is not a rumor however the content of e-mail is but yet you choose to be more accepting of a rumored e-mail than you are of the actual truth of Jane Fonda's appeal to be forgiven.
I would not pay to go across the street to see Miss Fonda. In 1973 I did atttend a rally that Miss Fonda was speaking at , she didn't have the abiliity to hold the attention of a crowd. Young people were leaving after five minutes of listening to her ranting.
And as for as my behavior campared to yours, well I haven't called you arrogant have I? So yes I forgive you.

 

This is what Jane Fonda said in an interview with Barbara Walters in 1988:

If you read what she said carefully, she was only apologizing for the fact that people were hurt by what she did. She did NOT say that what she did was inherently wrong in and of itself, and in fact justified the mindset that led her to do it by saying she was trying to help end the war. Until she apologizes for the ACTS THEMSELVES, not merely the pain those acts caused to certain people, she has not truly apologized as far as I'm concerned.
As to whether she has accepted Christ or not, it has already been noted that she still embraces the classic feminist agenda, including full abortion rights. As another example, in 2001 she donated $12.5 million to establish the 'Harvard Center on Gender and Education' to 'study gender stereotypes in education and create curricula for students in grades K through 12.' Now, I don't know about the rest of you, but if I wanted to set up a program to create new curricula that reflected Christian values, Harvard would be about the last place in America I would want to go to have it done. But that's where Jane went when she wanted to create new curricula.
So she has not truly apologized, and she doesn't act like she has had any kind of genuine Christian conversion. Now at this late date I personally don't want to see her hung from the nearest oak tree or anything. I personally forgive her and bear her no ill will. But she certainly doesn't deserve to be honored in any way or held up as a role model for young women, especially young Christian women. And for however long some people keep insisting on doing those things, some others of us need to keep countering it with the truth.

 

FYI on the "apology" from Jane:

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

If you'll read about the last 6 or 7 small paragraphs of the article, you will see that the official apologies given by Jane were only intended as apologies for the sole act of being photographed sitting at the controls of an anti-aircraft gun. That is the one and only thing she apologized for. They were also conveniently given at times when she was trying to promote 2 separate film roles, the first, prior to the apology, being successfully interrupted by Vietnam vets, as wel as her new book in 2005.

She characterized returning American POWs as "hypocrites and liars" and their torture stories as being "laughable" and "exaggerating...for their own self-interest" and said they weren't starved and came home looking like "football players...no more heroes than Custer was", "military careerists and professional killers", "self-righteous...(and) war criminals, according to law".

Maybe I'm just unforgiving or unkind, but I do not buy her sincerity in apologizing. Of course, even if I did, her apologies did not include the actual harm she committed against troops and their families through the propaganda she pushed in North Vietnam and the horrid way she treated them on their return home.

The article also states that "it is undeniable that some American soldiers came to harm as a direct result of Fonda's actions, and outcome she should reasonably have anticipated."

Is that enough for charges of treason? Not my call to make, but it does seem pretty reasonable to assume that her actions were treasonous based on that alone. People have been convicted on less evidence and allegations.

In any event, were I a soldier in Vietnam, I would probably be in court for defamation of character, or libel, or slander, or all of the above, based on the fact that Fonda did label all POWs under the same umbrella.

She shows much to much prosperity for the amount of harm she has caused to so many people.

 

This is what Jane Fonda said in an interview with Barbara Walters in 1988:
Quote:
"I would like to say something, not just to Vietnam veterans in New England, but to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm . . . very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families."
It is all in the way you interpret it.
Folks after thirty plus years it is time to move on. What Jane Fonda says and does is not that important, it never was and Jane Fonda does not deserve this much attention.

 

I guess I missed your post Walguy.

Sorry for the partial repeat BBers.

 

It is evident that the right-wingers here have not, and will not forgive Jane Fonda regardless of what she says or does. Sadly, this doesn't surprise me at all.

 

I don't know when this was posted, and when the awarding will be. Maybe it's over and done with.
But, her treason aside, on what score is she being awarded ?
What contribution to this nation, in particular, and the world, in general, to Americans in particular, and to humanity in general, did Jane Fonda do ?
Maybe she had asked for "forgiveness", but her actions and treason still do not entitle her to those awards.

 

Vietnam veterans, for the most part , do not accept Hanoi Jane's imitation of an apology.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=17632
Jane Fonda's "Apology": New Whine in Old Bottles
By Henry Mark Holzer
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 7, 2005

EXCERPT

Fonda’s seeming apology on Barbara Walters’ TV show “20/20” in 1988 was hollow and insincere – not to mention, incomplete. Her pose, she told Walters, on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun used to shoot down American planes was “a thoughtless and cruel thing to have done.” She was sorry she had hurt the prisoners in the Hanoi Hilton, she had been “thoughtless and careless.” [This footnote followed the text]: During an interview in 2000 Fonda told Oprah Winfrey, “I will go to my grave regretting the photograph of me in antiaircraft carrier [sic.] which looks like I was trying to shoot at American planes. That had nothing to do with the context that photograph was taken in. But it hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless. I wasn’t thinking; I was just so bowled over by the whole experience that I didn’t realize what it would look like.”

 

How is it possible for those who name the Name of Jesus to be on "opposite ends of the political spectrum?"

Who isn't listening? Or are both not listening? Who are we Christians to listen to?

 

Bless you, Scarlett. I'm happy to make your acquaintance.
:jesus:

 

wow now we get spam in the baptist board

 

Not even fresh.