Featured A.W. Pink - The Sovereignty of God, updated version!

Folks, not that scripture teaches the opposite of the Calvinist assertions. Scripture teaches we are placed in Christ, where we are baptized into His death, undergo the circumcision of Christ, then arise in Christ a new creation born again from above. Adoption is nowhere mentioned. Paul tells us of our future adoption as sons in Romans 8:23. You have scripture saying one thing and Yeshua1 posting the opposite. Go figure.

Romans 8:30 says we have been glorified, past tense when we are born again. Calvinism shouts its mistaken views in post after post, but you have your bibles, just read them.

No matter how many times Yeshua1 proclaims his Calvinist views, they will not alter Romans 8:23 nor 8:30. Such an assault on the plain truth of scripture is hard to fathom.

 

Next we see the usual shuck and jive and effort to change the subject without ever admitting to the truth that Calvinism claims, according to Yeshua1's implication, we have not been glorified per Romans 8:30, but we have been adopted, which is a denial of Romans 8:23.

They have no answer, so they change the subject. Again and again they run from the simple truth.

We are saved by grace through faith, thus we must have faith before we receive the grace of salvation. Calvinism rewrites this verse to read, we are saved by grace, then given faith.

Verse after verse, passage after passage. Just read your bibles, the truth is plain to see once you stop blindly accepting the shoddy exegesis of Calvinists like Pink.

 

From where did you get the faith to believe in jesus from?

 

Actually, my favorite on eis the Apostle paul, as his was inspired from the lord himself!

 

Mr Pink presents mistaken, wrong, and silly assertions. He denies God is sovereign enough to create a purview where He allows us to make autonomous decisions. He denies God sets before us a choice of life or death. He denies our election for salvation is through faith in the truth.

Paul wrote we are chosen through faith in the truth. 2 Thessalonians 2:13. We are saved by grace through faith, thus our faith provides our access to the grace in which we stand. Verse after verse, passage after passage clearly presents the opposite of what Calvinism claims.

Why anyone would read and unquestioningly accept his shoddy exegesis is beyond rationality.

 

Faith comes from hearing. Rom 10:17

 

yes, but isn't it the Elect though who will be the ones to respond by faith in what they have heard?

 

Nope, we are chosen through faith in the truth, 2 Thessalonians 2:13. It is God who credits our faith as righteousness. We are saved by grace through faith which requires that faith comes before being chosen for salvation.

 

problem is that sinners have no inherit faith residing in them, has to be enabled/initiated by god, and sinners on their own will not want/nor seek after christ!

 

The problem is you simply make one false claim after another. Matthew 13:1-26 teaches that unregenerate sinners can on their own receive the gospel with joy. Total Spiritual Inability is a mistaken view and you simply ignore God's word and claim it says the opposite of what it says. Men of flesh can understand the milk of the gospel.

We are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth. 2 Thessalonians 2:13. Deal with truth.

 

matthew does NOT teach that sinners receive the Kingdom with joy, and agree that salvation applies to us when we pl;ace faith in Christ, but the Cross is the basis of that, NOT the faith exercised, and God still has to enable a sinner to come to christ before that faith is applied!

 

Yeshua1 is steadfast in the unbiblical assertions of Calvinism. I say Matthew 13:1-26 teaches fallen unregenerate sinners receive the gospel with joy and Yeshua1 rewrites it claim sinners do not receive the Kingdom of God with joy. Evasion, shuck and jive and nothing more. Oh except even the rewrite is also false and unbiblical.

Note we are saved by grace through faith is rewritten to say salvation is applied to us when we place faith in Christ, reversing the order from the one given in scripture. Calvinists must know they are altering scripture to conform to man-made doctrine. Yet they do it. Mind-boggling.

When God chooses us and places us spiritually in Christ, based on crediting our faith as righteousness, then the propitiation provided by Christ's sacrifice on the cross is applied to us, for it is then that we receive the reconciliation.

Calvinism rewrites verse after verse, passage after passage, and yet not one Calvinism will admit we are saved by grace through faith, and we are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth. This is gospel 101, folks.

 

1. I would love to see you cite ONE calvinist who denies we are saved by grace through faith.


2. I don't even know that a calvinist would deny your second statement, though, for clarification....2 Thess. 2:13 actually says, "...God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth."

-So on its own in English, it could either mean we are "chosen though sanctification..by the spirit and faith" OR it could just as easily mean we are chosen for "salvation...which is through sanctification by the spirit and faith". The "though...faith" descriptor, like the "through sanctification by the spirit" could apply to either the being chosen, or the salvation, or both.

BTW, in the greek all major greek texts include "ἀπ’ ἀρχης"... "From the beginning," which doesn't coincide with saying we are chosen in our lifetime. You would at least have to go to the Arminian position of God choosing from the beginning...even if based on foreseen faith...or choosing us corporately (for Skan & Barth).

 

Fuggedaboutit

 

Yet another attack, devoid of content. I "hate" I "twist" and so forth. Folks, this is all Calvinism has to offer, the logical fallacy of attacking the opponent rather than his or her views. Its pure twaddle folks.

By the numbers once more:

1) Pink claims the election of Ephesians 1:4 which occurred before the foundation of the world is the same election referred to in 2 Thessalonians 2:13 which occurs from the beginning. Shoddy exegesis. Before means before and from means from. It is not a matter of interpretation.

2) Pink claim God ordains, predestines, whatsoever comes to pass, making God the author of sin. But God causes or allows all things, such that God is not the author of sin.

3) God sets before fallen mankind a choice of life or death, not life before the elect and death before all others. That is how Calvinism rewrites scripture.

See a difference folks, I present specifics and address views, and Calvinists evade specifics and views and address the character and qualification of opponents with false charges and misrepresentations.

 

You do!!! Your view is we are saved by grace and given faith. If you believe in the "I" of the TULIP, you deny we are saved by grace through faith.

All Calvinists deny this, just as you do below.

No the grammar does not allow such a view. Note in 1 Peter 1:1-2, Peter says we are chosen by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, thus both the grammar and the parallel verse show "through the sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth connects with being chosen. All those efforts to turn for salvation into a verb go against the Greek grammar syntax.

Lastly, from the beginning refers to at the most the creation week and after, but not before creation. You have to turn from (apo) into before (pro) find agreement with your mistaken doctrine. But you would rather claim from means before. And BTW, the Arminian position, classical, also conflates the two elections, so both are based on shoddy exegesis.

 

If election based on faith was only taught in one verse, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, it would still be the correct view, but the concept is taught everywhere in scripture. Does whoever believes in Him shall not perish right a bell. What promise is being fulfilled in James 2:5? Did God not choose the foolish to shame the wise, 1 Corinthians 1:26-30.

Folks, before does mean after, choose does not mean non-choice, to be separated from Christ is to be spiritually dead, to be united with Christ is to be made alive together with Christ. Verse after verse, passage after passage must be nullified to pour Calvinism into scripture. It is a mistaken view of scripture. How are we set apart in Christ? Does the sanctifying work of the Spirit ring a bell? We are chosen for salvation through the sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. QED

 

No I don't. I believe we are saved by grace through faith, but that faith comes as a gift from God.

Do you seriously think every Calvinist Denies that we are saved by grace through faith? The mostly forgotten Doctrine of Justification by Faith alone was recovered by none other than Martin Luther, a man who agreed with the Calvinistic view of Election!

1. Actually, I did not deny your second statement either, I simply gave some other alternate options for interpretation without stating which was correct. I actually think wording here favors your view of this verse...that we are chosen through sanctification and faith...but that it is not in conflict with God choosing me from the foundation of the world. We are not chosen apart from faith.

b. BTW, You left out the part where peter says FIRST that it is "according to the foreknowledge of God."

From the beginning could mean lots of things...one of them being creation week. Either way it is different your previous statements that we are chosen IN OUR LIFETIME.

 

A perfect example of my previous unheeded admonition.

 

foreknowledge of God.

One must come to grips with the truth that God "knew" all those saved in a personal individual manner, for He chose us out beforehand, marked us as His, and enables us to confirmn that by faith we placed into Christ!

those whom God foreknew/he predestined...

Again, God started the selection process, and he will amke sure that it gets fully completed!

Please note also yeshua prayed for his disciples on an individual basis, NOT fore the "plan or the Body' to be saved by the father, but each individual member of it!