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npetreley said:Given the context, it means he shall not get any rewards because none of his works will survive the fire (loss), but he will only be saved. Note carefully the way this passage starts. There is no other foundation than Jesus Christ. God reveals our works through fire, which burns whatever we build on that foundation. The foundation still stands, however, even if all of what we built upon it is destroyed. In other words, there's no room for sending the person to the lake of fire for 1,000 years, because our foundation still stands.
The whole verse reads...npetreley said:Amen, Amy. "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" We live in the Spirit because God is transforming us into the image of his Son, not because we fear condemnation for doing otherwise. We do not work, but God works in us, and He who began a good work in us will see it to completion.
Accountable said:????? Where did I use the terminology "Lake of Fire?"
Anyway, How does someone suffer a "loss" if he nevered "earned anything to loss? In maes no contextual sense. Humbly I ask: to your theology, once saved, I can live however I want after salvation, commit adultry, lie, curse, etc. and still have a place in the Kingdom? I haven't found one verse to back this up.
Just asking.
Right. The difference between those who walk after the flesh and walk after the Spirit is the difference between the unsaved and the saved. That's what this passage is saying. It is contrasting the saved (those who are in Christ Jesus) to the unsaved. There is no condemnation for the saved. The description "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" is a description of the saved, those who are in Christ Jesus.Rufus_1611 said:The whole verse reads...No condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus and who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit. Thus, if you are washed in the blood of the lamb, praise God...eternal salvation. However, if you believe in Jesus Christ and you are walking after the flesh and fornicating, or being an idolater or being covetous or a drunkard, know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor 6:9)?
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." - Romans 8:1
Christians don't fornicate, Christians don't commit adultery, Christians don't get drunk?npetreley said:Right. The difference between those who walk after the flesh and walk after the Spirit is the difference between the unsaved and the saved. That's what this passage is saying. It is contrasting the saved (those who are in Christ Jesus) to the unsaved. There is no condemnation for the saved.
Rufus_1611 said:Christians don't fornicate, Christians don't commit adultery, Christians don't get drunk?
Thank you brother. Studying the Bible more can never be bad counsel.npetreley said:I don't know. What does this have to do with the passage? Do you understand the difference between walking after the flesh and commiting a sin? If not, study the Bible some more.
npetreley said:Matthew 25, which is supposedly an ME passage, refers to the fire prepared for the devil and his angels. You may want to disown the passage, but the passage will not disown the reference, and MEers seem to use this passage all the time.
In sharp contrast, I have never said anything about Christians living a life of adultery, and you can't connect it to any passage I've cited. So you're the one who is making the wrong connections.
Who cares if the devil doesn't go there until later? It's the same place, isn't it? It can't be some other place, because it's the place prepared for the devil AND HIS ANGELS. Not just for the devil, as you say. It also says eternal, not a fire that lasts 1,000 years. Oh, that's right, "eternal" to you means 1,000 years. Okay. Enjoy your little world of deceptions.James_Newman said:You should know that the devil and his angels don't go to the lake of fire until after the millennium, just like everyone else. The only people in scripture who go to the lake of fire before the end of the millennium are the beast and the false prophet. The fire prepared for the devil and his angels that it refers to is the fire in hell where the devil will be bound for the thousand years.
npetreley said:Right. The difference between those who walk after the flesh and walk after the Spirit is the difference between the unsaved and the saved. That's what this passage is saying. It is contrasting the saved (those who are in Christ Jesus) to the unsaved. There is no condemnation for the saved. The description "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" is a description of the saved, those who are in Christ Jesus.
Who cares? I don't know. But I do know that these folks are being sent there before the end of the millennium, so it can't hardly be the lake of fire.npetreley said:Who cares if the devil doesn't go there until later? It's the same place, isn't it? It can't be some other place, because it's the place prepared for the devil AND HIS ANGELS. Not just for the devil, as you say. It also says eternal, not a fire that lasts 1,000 years. Oh, that's right, "eternal" to you means 1,000 years. Okay. Enjoy your little world of deceptions.
Again, who said anything about believers in the lake of fire? This text certainly does not.npetreley said:Matthew 25, which is supposedly an ME passage, refers to the fire prepared for the devil and his angels. You may want to disown the passage, but the passage will not disown the reference, and MEers seem to use this passage all the time..
What you have shown me through your blogs is thatnpetreley said:In sharp contrast, I have never said anything about Christians living a life of adultery, and you can't connect it to any passage I've cited. So you're the one who is making the wrong connections.
Accountable said:Again, who said anything about believers in the lake of fire? This text certainly does not.
What you have shown me through your blogs is that
1. Your have an angry tone.
2. You possibly believe that all born from above are okay at the JSOC regardless of actions after salvation. OR
3. You believe that Those born from above live perfect lives without any faults.
Am I wrong?
One thing I have noticed about the majority of the ME crowd is that they usualy spea and answer with respect.
What is the point of nitpicking whether it is the lake of fire or just eternal fire? Fire is fire, and this particular fire is prepared for the devil and his angels. I think it's obvious that it's the lake of fire, but who cares? You are just using a diversionary tactic here.Accountable said:Again, who said anything about believers in the lake of fire? This text certainly does not.
Very wrong.Accountable said:What you have shown me through your blogs is that
1. Your have an angry tone.
2. You possibly believe that all born from above are okay at the JSOC regardless of actions after salvation. OR
3. You believe that Those born from above live perfect lives without any faults.
Am I wrong?
Great! So ME folks spout their heresy politely. They better, or else they're in danger of 1,000 years of fire. I need not worry about such things, so I defend grace with a passion. And I don't care if you like my tone or not.Accountable said:One thing I have noticed about the majority of the ME crowd is that they usualy spea and answer with respect.
James_Newman said:Fire is fire, huh? You can't tell the difference between the lake of fire and hell? Hell is temporary. Just because God says there is eternal fire in hell, that doesn't mean God can't dispose of it when He is done with it.
npetreley said:Okay, for your benefit, let's just call it the same fire where the devil is bound for 1,000 years (even if this contradicts scripture saying that it's not just for the devil, but prepared for the devil AND HIS ANGELS). Great, so where does that leave ME? Same place, as far as I'm concerned. You're sending Christians into a fire where the devil is bound, and both will inhabit this same place for 1,000 years.
Oh, and just so you can't say I have an unbiblical angry spirit, go castrate yourself.
npetreley said:Paul, in defending grace, suggested that opponents of grace cut themselves off (castrate themselves). If you prefer, I can take a more Biblical approach to rebuking this doctrine and suggest you go castrate yourselves.
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That wasn't "rage," dear -- that was "I get it!"Accountable said:Your rage is not needed. You can give your opinion without casting gossip.
Wow! I said all that?? And Brian said he appreciated by tone. Well, I'd have to say that maybe YOU got it all wrong.You quoted HoG remarking about wanting more info from Brother Faust and then you go on a rampage accusing all of us of being post trib??? Either you pulled the wrong quote or you are grasping for straws. If you choose to prove us wrong, do it with scipture. Also accusing Brian of not being a Christain is beyond bitter speach.