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James_Newman said:Is that not in the rule book? Its common sense. Context can have no meaning without grammar. You can't just shout context! and change the basic rules of language.
Well here is something else that I am DEFINITELY interested in hearing. How is it that it is perfectly okay and without consequence to call someone an idiot or to call someone stupid or repeatedly say or do something to a brother and/or sister in which you "know" is offensive?Then you prove that you do not understand our theology.
J. Jump said:Well here is something else that I am DEFINITELY interested in hearing. How is it that it is perfectly okay and without consequence to call someone an idiot or to call someone stupid or repeatedly say or do something to a brother and/or sister in which you "know" is offensive?
Explain how that is okay in your theology.
No, if the context contradicts the grammar, then your undersatnding of the grammar, or your inability to interpret it in context, is likely to be the problem.Hope of Glory said:If the context you come up with contradicts the grammar, then your context is a pretext.
23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 The one who calls you is faithful and he will do it.
So, you are now accusing a brother in Christ of being unsaved?npetreley said:Nope. It's being told by Jesus, "I never knew you" and getting tossed somewhere not for 1,000 years, but for eternity. And by "eternity" I do not mean "age-during".
J. Jump said:Well here is something else that I am DEFINITELY interested in hearing. How is it that it is perfectly okay and without consequence to call someone an idiot or to call someone stupid or repeatedly say or do something to a brother and/or sister in which you "know" is offensive?
Explain how that is okay in your theology.
You are the one that said we are to be accursed. That doesn't sound like something that is going to be pleasant. So what are we in danger of? What is/are the consequence(s) for being accursed?
Again is that simply a smaller slice of paradise pie or what?
Hope of Glory said:So, you are now accusing a brother in Christ of being unsaved?
Rufus_1611 said:Did these questions get answered?...
EDIT - Well I think there are some on this board that disagree with you and they are on your side of the theology line!1. It's not ok for anyone to say any such.
npetreley said:No, if the context contradicts the grammar, then your undersatnding of the grammar, or your inability to interpret it in context, is likely to be the problem.
Case and point (which nobody ever addressed):
"May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."
"May?" That means it is only possible that God will keep you blameless, right?
"The one who calls you is faithful and he will do it."
Whoops, the context says he will do it. I guess "may" doesn't always mean it's only possible, not definite.
Pnwd.
I pray that you're given a pass on this one as I don't desire you be banned, for it is better to speak honestly on this topic. Just to be clear because Accountable, J Jump, Hope of Glory, James_Newman, AW Tozer and myself believe in millenial exclusion, you thus conclude that we believe another gospel and will spend eternity in the lake of fire? Your recommendation would thus be for us to repent and believe that the JSOC is only about positive rewards and every believer will reign with Jesus Christ in the millenial kingdom and then we will obtain eternal salvation?npetreley said:Would you rather I approve of people teaching a false gospel, when even Paul said let such people be accursed? If so, then I will gladly be banned from BB.
James_Newman said:Will is not definite.
1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
There is no contradiction in grammar between may and will. If it is done, it is God that will do it. He is faithful.
Pwnd.
Rufus_1611 said:I pray that you're given a pass on this one as I don't desire you be banned, for it is better to speak honestly on this topic. Just to be clear because Accountable, J Jump, Hope of Glory, James_Newman, AW Tozer and myself believe in millenial exclusion, you thus conclude that we believe another gospel and will spend eternity in the lake of fire?
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel — 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
TCGreek said:1. There's not IF in verse 24.
2. To use the optative form of eimi or ginomai is common for the NT writers.
3. For example, when Paul says, "God forbid" in Romans it is me genoito, "May it never be!"
4. When Paul says, "Blessed be the God..." in Eph 1:3, he is using the optative form of eimi.
James_Newman said:Whats the optative form of the word 'is'?
npetreley said:LOL! Okay, I'm out of here. I will not get dragged into the twilight zone anymore. I'm half tempted to give up on BB. It has become overrun with people who are preaching a false gospel. Far too many of its forum participants have lost their connection with the head.
TCGreek said:I'm reasoning from the Greek of 1 Thess 5:23, 24. If your answer is about that, I will be glad to answer you.
TCGreek said:I boldly cast my lot with Npetreley, You Are All False Teachers.
I'm curious as to how you can consider some on "your side" non-false teachers and us false teachers.I boldly cast my lot with Npetreley, You Are All False Teachers.