A Wasted Vote

[KenH]

I have read this entire thread, and I still dont understand how a 3rd party vote will actually benefit the country or the voter?

If a conservative is voting in a non-competitive state it is an opportunity to send a message to the Republican Party without harming the Republican presidential candidate.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I don't understand how either McCain or Obama will hep this country. People don't need to understand my vote, but I would think they would respect it.

 

[carpro]

A truly wasted vote is any vote that aids the worst possible candidate.

Any vote by a Christian conservative that aids the election efforts of Obama is most certainly a wasted vote, no matter who you cast your vote for.

There is only one candidate that has even the remotest chance of beating Obama. If a Christian conservative votes for any other candidate, they are wasting their vote and aiding Obama.

I'm sure he will appreciate your help.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

The GOP isn't all that interested in beating Obama. McCain tells us not to be afraid of Obama.

When they nominate a worthwhile candidate, I'll vote for them.

Guilt trip negated.

 

[carpro]

The GOP isn't all that interested in beating Obama. McCain tells us not to be afraid of Obama.

When they nominate a worthwhile candidate, I'll vote for them.

Guilt trip negated.

Fair enough.

Remember this exchange after Obama packs the Supreme Court with liberal judicial activists.

 

[webdog]

The GOP isn't all that interested in beating Obama. McCain tells us not to be afraid of Obama.

When they nominate a worthwhile candidate, I'll vote for them.

Guilt trip negated.

I would like to see the context of McCain's statement. If you don't think the GOP wants to beat Obama, why are they running against him?

 

[webdog]

Baldwin is on the ballot in Arkansas.

I will be voting for Barack Obama.

Hmm...you say nobody but McCain has a chance of winning your state...yet you are voting Obama. What's wrong with Baldwin in your estimation, and why wouldn't you vote him?

 

[webdog]

I don't understand how either McCain or Obama will hep this country. People don't need to understand my vote, but I would think they would respect it.

With our current Gov't format...how would Baldwin help this country? Is he now the ultra conservative savior?

 

[Revmitchell]

Baldwin is just conservative. Any further to the left of him is liberal. McCain is quite liberal. He is liberal and not truthful on spending. He claims to fight against earmarks but how much extra spending was put in this communist bailout, that by the way has had zero effect. He didn't stand up to earmarks during this bailout so there is no evidence he will at any time. He believes in all the liberal spending that Bush does.

He is on the wrong and dangerous side of illegal immigration. He sides with funding the UN which by the way continues to fund Planned Parenthood International and is proven to be one of the most Anti-American organizations in the world add to that proven to be one of the most corrupt.

Saving the lives of unborn children is not just a personal choice, it is a human rights issue. I am not convinced of Palin's support of this.

None of the two main parties understand the constitutional infringement that our representatives have imposed on us with all the unconstitutional federal programs. This issue alone is quote liberal and needs to be brought to an abrupt end soon.

 

[dragonfly]

Let me use your logic for a minute. Say here in Ohio I start campaigning for Baldwin. Due to our efforts, Baldwin receives...say...10,000 votes. Obama wins Ohio by 8,000 votes. Was my effort for the better of the USA and our unborn children? NO! The next president may have the opportunity to appoint a couple supreme court justices which just may swing the vote to overturn Roe v. Wade. I'm in it for the big picture, not to punish or send a message to the GOP.

Your assumption is that McCain, who you would no doubt agree is not a conservative, will appoint conservative Justices to the Supreme Court. Your other assumption is that these conservative Justices will act conservative once put on the Supreme Court. It looks like you are basing your view that McCain must be backed on too many assumptions for me to take much comfort in. Remember who appointed the current Justices and maybe you will see the fallacy of your position.

Another thing, maybe the United States needs a man like Obama to bring the needed judgment from God which we have avoided for so long. Remember, it is God who sets men up and who takes men down. I remember hearing a preacher say that God often gives a country the leader the people deserve. It doesn't look like we deserve much of a leader and from the poll numbers, it looks like that is exactly what we will get.

 

[saturneptune]

I have read this entire thread, and I still dont understand how a 3rd party vote will actually benefit the country or the voter?

I do understand the personal triumph that a voter may enjoy over the rejection of the two current candidates.....but in reality, what difference will it make, and how will it benefit the country or yourself?

What do you hope to gain? And who will even notice the gain, if there is even one?

AJ

You ask the wrong question. The real question is "What possible difference does it make if Obama or McCain are elected?" Answer, NONE

What do I hope to gain with a vote for Chuck Baldwin? Well, if enough would vote for him, the elimination of the Republican and Democratic parties would be a good start. A government that serves the American people, what a radical idea.

Most of all, I hope to gain a clear conscience. It is beyond my understanding how any conservative could vote for Obama or McCain.

 

[saturneptune]

A truly wasted vote is any vote that aids the worst possible candidate.

Any vote by a Christian conservative that aids the election efforts of Obama is most certainly a wasted vote, no matter who you cast your vote for.

There is only one candidate that has even the remotest chance of beating Obama. If a Christian conservative votes for any other candidate, they are wasting their vote and aiding Obama.

I'm sure he will appreciate your help.

Baloney, a vote for evil is a vote for evil.

 

[carpro]

... a vote for evil is a vote for evil.

True.

Just as there are many ways to say no, but only one way to say yes.

 

[JustChristian]

I agree, and that is the reason I have run for office. I ran on the Conservative Party line. (would have taken the Rep line, but I waited till the last minute.) The Rep party did not put anybody up, because they felt there was no way of winning. I ended getting 13% of the vote in a two way race.

I ran a presidential campaign in a county with a population of over 250K.

 

[KenH]

What's wrong with Baldwin in your estimation, and why wouldn't you vote him?

There is nothing wrong with Baldwin as such. He is very conservative politically and I am a progressive politically. I am going to vote for the progressive candidate, Barack Obama, as I am satisfied, for the most part, with the direction I think his administration would take.

 

[LeBuick]

He claims to fight against earmarks but how much extra spending was put in this communist bailout, that by the way has had zero effect. He didn't stand up to earmarks during this bailout so there is no evidence he will at any time. He believes in all the liberal spending that Bush does.

I didn't think of this but a guy at Church today said the longer it takes them to put this cow to work the more they are showing us this bailout wasn't that urgent. We should have made them present a plan before we gave them a dime.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

A truly wasted vote is any vote that aids the worst possible candidate.

Any vote by a Christian conservative that aids the election efforts of Obama is most certainly a wasted vote, no matter who you cast your vote for.

There is only one candidate that has even the remotest chance of beating Obama. If a Christian conservative votes for any other candidate, they are wasting their vote and aiding Obama.

I'm sure he will appreciate your help.

A truly wasted vote is any vote that aids the Republicrat system.

Any vote by a Christian conservative that aids the election efforts of Republicrats is most certainly a wasted vote, no matter who you cast your vote for.

There is only one choice that has even the remotest chance of beating the current system. If a Christian conservative votes for either major candidate, they are wasting their vote and aiding the system that has used the Christian conservative vote for decades. .

I'm sure they will appreciate your help as they go on their happy way unchecked.

 

[carpro]

A truly wasted vote is any vote that aids the Republicrat system.

Any vote by a Christian conservative that aids the election efforts of Republicrats is most certainly a wasted vote, no matter who you cast your vote for.

There is only one choice that has even the remotest chance of beating the current system. If a Christian conservative votes for either major candidate, they are wasting their vote and aiding the system that has used the Christian conservative vote for decades. .

I'm sure they will appreciate your help as they go on their happy way unchecked.

Very original, Roger.

Your statements have a certain ring of copied authority to them.:laugh:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Very original, Roger.

Your statements have a certain ring of copied authority to them.:laugh:

Thought you might enjoy that :thumbs:

 

[windcatcher]

The way I'm reading some of the post.... it seems the link was not read or was ignored:

Clearly voting your conscience and principals in this election is not now nor ever shall be 'wasting your vote' when there is a choice. And we DO have choices ....more than two. In the hamburger/hotdog analysis.... steak is also on the ballot but many don't know....... and many of those who do know....as seen in this thread, are of the opinion that they are the exception so why bother and vote for steak when the majority will select either hotdogs or hamburgers.

The Bible says:
The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing [the outcome] thereof is of the LORD. Proverbs 16:33

Yes someone will win and someone will loose.... but by the logic of some in this thread.... it confirms what Baldwin wrote about..... If a vote is 'lost' because your candidate "couldn't" win... then it is lost if your candidate didn't win..... and for certain either a Democrat or a Republican is going to loose the challenge for the Presidency. To blame those who choose a third party for the loss of one or the other is also false. .......It is presumming a knowledge which only God has. Chances are great that a third party vote will get a split of dissatisfied voters from both major parties as well as decidedly independant voters. Some of the third party tally will include people who would not have voted at all.

As for the outcome of this election: I'm voting for Baldwin as he represents my Christian principals over the politics of the other two candidates. Registered in 47 or 48 states.... is a potential for winning...... but the faithless, and double minded, and doubters will not see this: On the ballot in 37 or 38 states, acceptible as a write-in in 10 more states, and not available for choosing in Oklahoma nor North Carolina.... means most Christians will have little excuse for not considering him.

In the end: I trust God and no man. And whoever wins I trust what the Bible says: The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whitersoever he will. Proverbs 21:1