A well-known evangelist's silliness...

[agedman]

Bob Jones didn’t lose non-profit status overnight. Nor was it an outlier at the time. Although its discriminatory policies preceded desegregation, historian Randall Balmer has noted that it lost its non-profit status due to President Nixon’s crackdown on so-called “segregation academies.”
Bob Jones University did, in fact, try to placate the IRS—in its own way. Following initial inquiries into the school’s racial policies, Bob Jones admitted one African-American, a worker in its radio station, as a part-time student; he dropped out a month later.

Btw, the student who transferred from Bob Jones did so for financial reasons. He was expelled after one semester for his constant preaching about 'mixing races' and God's prohibition of it which he claimed to have learned about while a student at Bob Jones. Maybe he just made it up?

The students at Biola, Westmont, Azusa Pacific, Pasadena Nazarene and other evangelical colleges were all aware of Bob Jones ban on African-Americans. As I said before 'When Bob Jones Jr., the son of the founder, became the institution’s president, he continued the institution’s policies of rabid bigotry'.

Bob Jr was in charge from the time they left Tennessee.

The racial issue didn’t start until the 1960’s, as a result of the backlash parents of the “love generation” concerns and the rise of violent social reforms such as black panthers, and others.

Sr. Was from the traditional culture of separation by races, but that was not a racial view but one he believed the Scriptures concluded. Like I posted, he had, just as John R Rice, extensive engagement with black pastors and congregations.

The Jones’ were not rabid bigots.

Btw, there were black students from Africa on campus in the late sixties, which is ahead of most public school systems in the US.

 

[Salty]

So BJU was wrong in their prohibition of interracial dating. "Miscegnation" laws in the US vanished a good while back.

1) NO BJU was NOT wrong - first it was at the request of parents.

2) The more differences that a couple have - will make it harder for a successful marriage.
Not saying it is impossible - but may not be a great ideal.
and I am not talking about just race - any major difference.
Granted - you may not agree on every little thing - which is understandable
For example - she insits on going to her parents for Christmas - as that is the oir tradition.
and likewise he wants to continue tradition by going to his parents home for Christmas. Neither is willing to compromise - say everyother year......

He demands to keep the heat at 66 degrees - but she need 72 degrees

He is a Methodist and she is a Lutheran.....

She is a staunch KJO and any other version is a perversion
He has no ideal what version he uses


She is politically a conservative and stands against the way homosexuality is presented in the school
He is a flaming liberal - and accepts everyone the way they are and encourages them to do so.

as I said - the more differences - the harder it will be.

as far as race - not unusual for family members that will not accept the in-law of a different race.

 

[Salty]

Bob Jones didn’t lose non-profit status overnight...'.

So you don't believe in freedom of religion?

 

[robycop3]

1) NO BJU was NOT wrong - first it was at the request of parents.

2) The more differences that a couple have - will make it harder for a successful marriage.
Not saying it is impossible - but may not be a great ideal.
and I am not talking about just race - any major difference.
Granted - you may not agree on every little thing - which is understandable
For example - she insits on going to her parents for Christmas - as that is the oir tradition.
and likewise he wants to continue tradition by going to his parents home for Christmas. Neither is willing to compromise - say everyother year......

He demands to keep the heat at 66 degrees - but she need 72 degrees

He is a Methodist and she is a Lutheran.....

She is a staunch KJO and any other version is a perversion
He has no ideal what version he uses


She is politically a conservative and stands against the way homosexuality is presented in the school
He is a flaming liberal - and accepts everyone the way they are and encourages them to do so.

as I said - the more differences - the harder it will be.

as far as race - not unusual for family members that will not accept the in-law of a different race.

But it seems BJU took parents' requests over Biblical principle.

 

[Salty]

But it seems BJU took parents' requests over Biblical principle.

Does the Bible say - you must have inter-racial dates?
If so - then you would be correct.

 

[agedman]

But it seems BJU took parents' requests over Biblical principle.

When the students attend any school and a function of the school with out the parents, does not the school function as “loco parentis” which means in place of the parents?

Should the. School have disregarded parent’s wishes and long held tradition merely because degenerates decide something they don’t like is wrong?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Folks, remember when this dating stuff happened BJU (and other residential colleges) were legally in loco parents. So, the school was under a legal obligation to enforce what the parents wanted.

 

[Marooncat79]

Was it Bob Jones III that married an ethnic lady?

 

[Jerome]

Was it Bob Jones III that married an ethnic lady?

It's his son Stephen Jones who succeeded him as President of BJU, whose wife is of mixed-race ancestry.

 

[Salty]

It's his son Stephen Jones who succeeded him as President of BJU, whose wife is of mixed-race ancestry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jones_(administrator)

 

[robycop3]

Does the Bible say - you must have inter-racial dates?
If so - then you would be correct.

It doesn't FORBID them.

 

[robycop3]

When the students attend any school and a function of the school with out the parents, does not the school function as “loco parentis” which means in place of the parents?

Should the. School have disregarded parent’s wishes and long held tradition merely because degenerates decide something they don’t like is wrong?

The BIBLE should be the governing authority in such matters.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

When the students attend any school and a function of the school with out the parents, does not the school function as “loco parentis” which means in place of the parents?

For most of the school's history, the age of majority was 21. So, students weren't legally adults between 18 and 20. Which is different from what we in 2021 are used to.

 

[Jerome]

Folks, remember when this dating stuff happened BJU (and other residential colleges) were legally in loco parents. So, the school was under a legal obligation to enforce what the parents wanted.

That is NOT what that legal concept entails. Please read up on it.
How ridiculous: BJU 'had to' make a rule for all students when one Asian student's racist parents freaked out? No.

 

[Salty]

It doesn't FORBID them.

Does the Bible forbid mixed swimming?
BJU did not allow that either.

Where does the Bible forbid mixed dorms?

Look - we can give example after example -
But there is leeway here and there for us to make our rules.

There is no doubt in my military mind, that if I was to visit your church, that they
have rules against some things that do not have a Biblical basis!

 

[robycop3]

Does the Bible forbid mixed swimming?
BJU did not allow that either.

Where does the Bible forbid mixed dorms?

Look - we can give example after example -
But there is leeway here and there for us to make our rules.

There is no doubt in my military mind, that if I was to visit your church, that they
have rules against some things that do not have a Biblical basis!

I wouldn't attend such an institution that had man-made rules besides the usual common-sense ones such as prohibiting intoxication, dope use, male & female not married spending the night together, common rules of conduct, etc.

 

[timtofly]

No, but I was a cop & know how hard it is for "nobodies" to make a case against a celebrity. Investigators are cautious in such cases, as, if they're wrong, they could be sued for twice the national debt by a celebrity whom they've wrongfully implicated, or damaged his reputation.



Unfortunately,you won't meet him in this world, as he died in a plane crash in 1982. His sermons are played daily on the "Family Altar" radio show, heard on most Christian stations. He had some goofy ideas, such as following the Levitical diet was the key to good health, and pure water was better for illnesses than almost all meds. But otherwise, most of his preaching was on the money.

He was not that kind of celebrity. You are getting to the point of joining false accusations against a spirit filled man of God. Are you suggesting God was covering His tracts, to get away with sin. Many people hated and wanted him to close up God's work, God called him to. He was not your garden varity televangelist, who had millions of dollars to silence the opposition. He gave God all the credit for protecting the ministry God called him to.

The biggest issue was corporal punishment, and how close to Biblical principles one can get in today's pc correct society. While not totally illegal, many have decided that God did not institute it, thus one should go by worldly standards, and what is allowed in current society.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

He was not that kind of celebrity.

If I remember the sense of the times correctly, Brother Roloff was the kind of "celebrity" who the state of Texas was out to "hang".

 

[robycop3]

He was not that kind of celebrity. You are getting to the point of joining false accusations against a spirit filled man of God. Are you suggesting God was covering His tracts, to get away with sin. Many people hated and wanted him to close up God's work, God called him to. He was not your garden varity televangelist, who had millions of dollars to silence the opposition. He gave God all the credit for protecting the ministry God called him to.

The biggest issue was corporal punishment, and how close to Biblical principles one can get in today's pc correct society. While not totally illegal, many have decided that God did not institute it, thus one should go by worldly standards, and what is allowed in current society.

He had his faults, same as we have ours. His dietary stuff is pure fantasy. God gave Israel the dietary laws to test their obedience. if they actually improved health n& cured diseases, they'd be the standard of the world. And he believed the KJVO myth. While those faults weren't fatal, they were faults nonetheless.

As for the Rebekah Girls' Home, he should've acted when the complaints reached him. However, all-in-all, he was a good preacher.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

That is NOT what that legal concept entails. Please read up on it.
How ridiculous: BJU 'had to' make a rule for all students when one Asian student's racist parents freaked out? No.

I did. And for most of the school's existence at the time, the concept was as rigorous as I noted above. Like I wrote, don't use the concept as it is applied in 2021. Consider how it was applied from the 1920s to the early 1970s.
As for the Asian parents, I gather at the time BJU was getting a good number of students from the Republic of China (Taiwan). So, it wasn't just this one set of parents that concerned them. Ethnocentric would be a better term.