A woman teaching men?

[Marooncat79]

Yes, different people, no problem haha. We have better BBQ in Western NC than in Georgia, which I think is where Reynolds is.

Repent!!

 

[Reynolds]

Question, do you happen to have an icon of St John MacArthur in your house? Just curious.

Do you have one of Marx?

 

[AustinC]

Do you have one of Marx?

If we check the times that person is talked about, it is a sure bet that you bring him up more than me. What can we extrapolate from that? Hmmm?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Conversely I see my wife as my equal partner with insight into things that I’m immune to.

I fear you have misapprehended my comment. In terming my wife as my XO/First Officer, does not make me an autocrat. Any skipper who doesn't seek and listen to his XO's ideas is a fool. To use an example from current culture, I think in terms of Picard and Riker, not an autocrat like Queeg.

 

[Reynolds]

Tbilisi or Batumi pecans?

Desirable, Stuart, and Pawnee are mainly what's grown in Ga.
A lot of newer hybrids are being planted, but the old mature varieties still delivering the bulk of the load.

 

[Reynolds]

I fear you have misapprehended my comment. In terming my wife as my XO/First Officer, does not make me an autocrat. Any skipper who doesn't seek and listen to his XO's ideas is a fool. To use an example from current culture, I think in terms of Picard and Riker, not an autocrat like Queeg.

I agree. Husband and wife are equal, but not equal in authority.

 

[Reynolds]

Question: Have you ever experienced an inspiring, knowledgeable, woman who could lead, teach and inspire a congregation because I have not. Please let me explain. I was raised in the RCC institution for 34 years and was never inspired, except for one priest who walked the town and visited with us primarily because my mom was a widow and my sister was cerebral palsy. Other than that, not inspiring, just same old same old. Years later, my wife and I would attend various Protestant churches, some bringing on board women pastors with various degrees of competencies still all pretty bad at inspiring. Even a female Methodist Bishop proved really bad leading me to wonder if there was some insight into Paul’s teachings about women pastors… and I still wonder.

Now besides that, I’m a fan of women. They raised me, mentored me, protected me, befriended me and always were my biggest supporters. So it always made me want to root for women in any job where they could excel but now I’m really wondering about their abilities in pastoring and teaching a Christian flock. Perhaps they are there to nurture, to love and to be model Christian’s to love and emulate… that’s a job in itself.

The problems I have seen first hand when women are in church leadership revolve around their emotions. Most can't separate "the job" from themselves as a person. They take everything personally. They get hurt feelings and start picking sides for a fight.
My biggest struggle has been deacons, and even pastors and associate pastors, who bring their wives agenda or hurt feelings into the business of the church.
I had one deacon who kept coming to meeting with his wifes complaints. I asked him if they were his complaints or hers. He said hers. I told him until he made them his complaints and brought them up as such, they were out of order. He said, "Well they really don't bother me, but they bother my wife.". I said "When they bother you, bring them up and we will deal with them.". He never had any more complaints.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Desirable, Stuart, and Pawnee are mainly what's grown in Ga.
A lot of newer hybrids are being planted, but the old mature varieties still delivering the bulk of the load.

Great… that’s what my son in Florida gets me for Christmas when he travels through Georgia. BTW, pecans are very good to eat if you are diabetic (w/o being covered with chocolate or syrup).

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The problems I have seen first hand when women are in church leadership revolve around their emotions. Most can't separate "the job" from themselves as a person. They take everything personally. They get hurt feelings and start picking sides for a fight.
My biggest struggle has been deacons, and even pastors and associate pastors, who bring their wives agenda or hurt feelings into the business of the church.
I had one deacon who kept coming to meeting with his wifes complaints. I asked him if they were his complaints or hers. He said hers. I told him until he made them his complaints and brought them up as such, they were out of order. He said, "Well they really don't bother me, but they bother my wife.". I said "When they bother you, bring them up and we will deal with them.". He never had any more complaints.

Yea… but ya have to do that though. Wives are deffinately influencers and the fact is they tend to take over the running of churches. My own wife tells me this and she detests women run and led churches.

 

[Salty]

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[AustinC]

The problems I have seen first hand when women are in church leadership revolve around their emotions. Most can't separate "the job" from themselves as a person. They take everything personally. They get hurt feelings and start picking sides for a fight.
My biggest struggle has been deacons, and even pastors and associate pastors, who bring their wives agenda or hurt feelings into the business of the church.
I had one deacon who kept coming to meeting with his wifes complaints. I asked him if they were his complaints or hers. He said hers. I told him until he made them his complaints and brought them up as such, they were out of order. He said, "Well they really don't bother me, but they bother my wife.". I said "When they bother you, bring them up and we will deal with them.". He never had any more complaints.

Reynolds, most pastors can't separate emotions. It's not just a woman thing. What I also observe is that most pastors see their position as a job they get paid to do. There is even "HR Committees" to oversee the jobs they do. Our churches are messed up because of this. Many pastors don't even call on their members because it's not in their job to do so. The term "pastor" is really a misnomer in most churches. Preacher is more accurate. Program Organizer is another more accurate term. But, Pastor is too hands on and demanding for most men in the church who get paid by the congregation.

 

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