A Young Marine Speaks Out

Of course any nation has the right to try to invade the U.S. However, since we have firmly set the notion of "might makes right" they will fail.

 

Still trying to use the same old emphasis huh Ken? Hey, did you notice that Saddam's body wasn't even cold yet when the MSM started blitzing us with all these amazingly inaccurate documentaries on "Saddam The Dictator's Rise And Fall"?

Probably not huh? Well, check it out tonight virtually all the networks are running the same inaccurate "emphasis" just hours after his death. What a coincidence! :smilewinkgrin:

 

Except your analogy to show my analogy is flawed in some respects, doesn't add up - you see, I distinctly remember Bush saying there would be "no nation building" if he were elected President. And, anyone who signed up for the military post-911, did so (initially) because we were told there were WMDs. So, those who signed up initially may have agreed with the premise of what they were told by the administration, only to find out later the facts just don't support the reason for going to war......or staying there in that land of ingrates.

And my question still remains to those who say soldiers have no right to question, they just have to follow orders - if it were martial law and soldiers were ordered by the CIC to confiscate your guns & rifles, going door to door, would you still say they were supposed to follow orders and not question?

 

Bush did say in 2000 that he wouldn't "nation-build", but then did just that. But that happened in 2003, it was this particular soldier's timeline that didn't make sense in context.

He went in in 2004, or 2005.

Not by 2004, this "no WMD's" argument has been around since the spring of 2003. Even before then, I doubt every soilder enlisted between 2000-2003 just because Sadaam was said to have WMDs.

Republican President and Republican Congress the entire time.

With no "conscientious observer" option...yes, the executive branch's orders have to be obeyed.

 

Our objective hasn't been to be the policeman of the world. It was stated by Bush's advisors to be WORLD SUPREMACY.

 

There is a difference between a lawful order and an unlawful order - soldiers have the responsibility to follow lawful orders - without question and without blogging about their pet complaints.

If this is a real Marine, then he is only not punished by the grace of his commanders.

 

Carpro wrote:

I don't ever mind standing alone with the truth.


"Trained warriors like clear cut victories and the full support of the people back home.

They have neither."

is a true statement and can stand on it's own. No one is being "blamed" for anything.

They already know. Durbin, Kerry, Kennedy, et al are all on record with their opinion of the troops and their efforts.

It looks like liberals will never learn how to "support the troops". It just totally escapes them for some reason.:BangHead:

 

Will you please define the expression "support the troops"?

 

It's an overused expression, but what it boils down to is one thing;

One just can not support the troops without supporting what they are doing. It's like saying you are a Yankees fan and rooting for the other team.

 

Here is what this boils down to
Yes you can encourage the troops to fight each battle to attain victory.

Yes you can encourage the troops to follow the commands of their leaders and tell them how proud we are of their willingness to serve during the tough times.

Yes you can encourage the troops to serve with honor and dignity and tell them how proud we are that they are doing so.

Yes you can tell the troops that we are praying for them and their families.

Yes we can actually support the needs of our troops by supplying them with basic necesssities such as tooth paste soap etc. so that they can send fulller portions of their paychecks back home

Meanwhile back home at the Capital we can be voices and critisize our Govenrment for there lack of planning and resolve to put an end to this debacle. Politicians make very lousy commanders and should do a better job of listening to our Generals who have actually had experience with matters of war. Our Great Decider who resides in the White House doesn't have the qualities of leadership, he just doesn't listen very well and only hears what he wants to hear. But neo-cons would prefer for it's U.S citizens to be quiet when it comes matters of disagreement with their policies.

 

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else." - Teddy Roosevelt [Emphasis mine] (Source: http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/quotes.htm)​

 

Hmmm, speaking for myself. I am most definitely not rooting for the other team. However, I think that the lives of each and every one of the people in the theater of war are valuable. I would desire that their lives be spared and they no longer engage in a vain unconstitutional war that does not serve the interests of the citizens of the United States of America. I believe that 3,000+ dead and 45,000+ non mortal casualties is horrific. I would desire that no more of these professionals be harmed and that they be returned stateside to be with their families and to protect the United States and her Constitution. If this means I do not support the troops, then so be it.

 

I am dissapointed in You Carpro. Did you call a Sean Hannity help line to get this drivel. You forgot to blame Bill Clinton.:sleep:

 

Good for you.

There seems to be hope yet, but then I already knew you had more sense than the typical liberal.

 

I think our timing was off and that we rushed into war based on some lies, it wasn't well thought out . I was proud of our President for taking a stand against the Taliban in Afghanistan but after that things went downhill. anybody know where Osama is? Oh yeah the evil mastermind of 911 isn't important to Bush anymore. I am not eager to pat the President on the back for his lack of real leadership on the war on terror.
If Clinton had the loyalty of the military it was begrudgingly. there were instances of active soldiers calling in to right wing talk show hosts such as Rush Limbaugh criticizing Clinton for his lack of leadership in regards to military action.
I respect our troops for their valiant service to our country and I do support them despite what anyone might say to the contrary. I also respect the office to the Presidency but as with Clinton I am deeply dissapointed in both Presidents for dividing our Country . I never voted for Clinton but the man I did vote for on both occassions has disgraced the Office of the Presidency just as Clinton did.

 

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Originally Posted by carpro
Carpro wrote:



They already know. Durbin, Kerry, Kennedy, et al are all on record with their opinion of the troops and their efforts.

It looks like liberals will never learn how to "support the troops". It just totally escapes them for some reason.:BangHead:

On the other hand, if you don't recognize the statements of the above listed three stooges as demoralizing to our troops, you still aren't quite where you need to be.:tear:

BTW
Haven't heard a Hannity broadcast in about a year. Is he using some of my material again?

 

Don't people kind of ignore these politicians, who takes them seriously? I don't see how they can be very demoralizing when you take into account that they are total bufoons.

You have done better on your retorts to me in the past, this wasn't one of your shinning moments though but I am confidant that you will get back in form again.