ABC independently confirms success of CIA “torture” tactics

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Good point Bro. Curtis. Did Janet Reno torture people? Shouldent she be charged?

 

Who ever endorsed torture ? I don't see Rev Mitchell or Bro Curtis saying "go waterboard them" or "yeah, baby, pull out their nails" !

Maybe some soldiers or CIA guys do go to the extreme of laying hands on those they interrogate, but these are not endorsed practices anywhere in this country.

Punish the guilty, yeah.

But don't castrate the entire investigative process by not defining what constitutes torture and why.

 

It seems that people want to define torture one way when Republicans are in office and another way when Dems are in office.

The sad thing is that their political games are harming this country and they dont even care. All they care about is there hate for Bush and Republicans. If harming this country will help them win an election they are all for it.

 

A buddy had his right earlobe taken off by a .30 caliber during machine gun obstacle course when he tried to crawl around some dog dung and in the process got on very slightly elevated ground that took him to less than a ruler's height from the small of his back.


I don't know about the US military, but in the Philippine military, they had allowances for up to two accidental deaths during obstacle training, that was back when tough was tough.

 

They haven't . . .

The Army does Basic Training . . . the Marine Corps does 'Boot Camp'.

 

I'm with you on this one. Hey, what about the plan to indict Bush as a war criminal after his term (if I heard that right, though).

Folks, if that happens, I guarantee you that the only presidents we will have are those more interested in prestige and more concerned with "covering their butts". Afraid to take risks, afraid to be bold. Wimps. We'll be a third world first world country.

 

It will never ever happen. Why?

 

Wonder why I cant cut and past pic anymore.

Try this one.

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And we've slid from "we are a civilized people who do not torture prisoners" to "well, that isn't really bad torture."

This is the cost of empire, the neocon way.

If we torture and kill to impose democracy on others, we can no longer be a democracy ourselves.

 

having seen the conversation thus far, i was wondering if another word shd've been put in quote marks instead--"success."


ABC independently confirms "success" of CIA torture tactics

 

You volunteered for all that, lots of people did including me, big deal. How many people at Gitmo have been proven guilty of a crime? How many at Abu Ghraib? The people running the show say something like 70 to 90 percent of the people locked up are innocent. Should the innocent get more or less torture do yo think?

 

Jesus was tortured and yes humilation was a part of that torture where the Roman soldiers mocked him ,beat him, and took a crown of thorns pushed down on his head to the point of bleeding..what is wrong with you curtis and mithcell didn't you ever read that!!! your ultra right wing fascism trying to weld Christianity will not work and it is a perversion....in the short term you will get your power but in long term bring shame to the faith.

 

Weren't they picked up on a battlefield ? Seems to me that securing their safety, feeding them, giving them more time to pray than we give our own school children, until their case gets sorted out is a very Christian thing to do. Yeah, I volunteered to be in the position I was, and so did they. We didn't, no matter what wing-nut internet sites say, go from home to home picking up random civilians and jailing them.

Since nobody has proven torture, the question is moot. You'll have to give me a more concrete stat then "somethink like 70 to 90 percent say it happened".

 

Don't ever forget Jesus was tortured!




Someone else said this on the board since this debate has a past

"Torture is not an American Christian Value"

 

You really need to read more Bro Curtis. You seemed to have missed out on a mass of information somehow. Here, I'll help you get up to speed some before we try having a real debate about torture. Try going through these archives for awhile.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_iraq_aftermath.html#myth

 

I'm sure you think I need to educate myself, but I think prison planet is a bunch of whackos, so no thanx. And I'm also sure the very second the mainstream media gets a hold of concrete proof of torture, it'll be plastered everywhere. I'm willing to wait.

 

Cop out or what? I think it's more a matter of you're wishing to stay conveniently ignorant, myself (mpo). The ole cognitive dissonace doesn't act up and hurt so much that way I imagine. :laugh:

Well if you can't recognize torture all on your own without some talking head telling you what the new neocon definition of it is then you might as well go ahead and wait for the leaked and declassified report. It's probably due out soon enough. :smilewinkgrin:

 

Based on what I see here why not REALLY torture detainees who have never been accused of a crime and have never seen a lawyer. Cut off fingers, hands, legs? Torture them to death if necessary. Where's the line. It sounds like none of you think that there is a line. In that case, you must believe we're not severe enough.