Abomination of Desolation Was Indeed Already Fulfilled

[gaviria.christian]

Josephus was not a very reliable play-by-play reporter, being careful in his narratives to not write anything that might upset Vespasian & cost him his head. And I doubt if Titus was worshipped, as his men knew he was also a man, and Titus certainly didn't DEMAND to be worshipped.
The 2nd beast will be one man, a sidekick of the first, & the marka the beast will be a literal mark of some kind, most-likely some sorta microchip.
You have quite an imagination, but you don't know history too well, nor have you studied Scripture CLOSELY, with an open mind. You've invented some notions & tried to make Scripture fit them

It is historical fact that the Roman emperors were worshiped as gods, which is why not only a temple was built to worship Vespasian and Titus, which is the Temple of Vespasian and Titus, but even the ensigns that were brought to the temple were images of Caesar. Without an absolute shadow of a doubt the abomination of desolation spoken by Daniel and the Messiah was the one committed by the Romans, which is why it is written, "when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies AND the abomination of desolation, then those who are in Judea flee, because its destruction is nigh". And Flavius Josephus is not the only early writer affirming this truth, but also other writers like Tertullian, who have affirmed that indeed the Romans worshiped their ensigns, which had images of Caesar, the great Roman emperor. You are ignoring fulfillment of prophecy in actual history in favor of fantasies that exist in your own head. Also, "beasts" in prophecy are nations, not "one man". You have no understanding of prophetic visions.


Now Pilate, who was sent as procurator into Judea by Tiberius, sent by night those images of Caesar that are called ensigns into Jerusalem. This excited a very among great tumult among the Jews when it was day; for those that were near them were astonished at the sight of them, as indications that their laws were trodden under foot; for those laws do not permit any sort of image to be brought into the city. Nay, besides the indignation which the citizens had themselves at this procedure, a vast number of people came running out of the country. These came zealously to Pilate to Cesarea, and besought him to carry those ensigns out of Jerusalem, and to preserve them their ancient laws inviolable; but upon Pilate's denial of their request, they fell down prostrate upon the ground, and continued immovable in that posture for five days and as many nights.
The Wars of the Jews by Flavius Josephus, Book 2, 9:2
Note: This is merely a reference to an external literature to help strengthen the statements made in this study, and not an endorsement of any other literature or statements made by Flavius Josephus.

But now Pilate, the procurator of Judea, removed the army from Caesarea to Jerusalem, to take their winter quarters there, in order to abolish the Jewish laws. So he introduced effigies of Caesar, which were upon the ensigns, and brought them into the city; whereas our law forbids us the very making of images; on which account the former procurators were wont to make their entry into the city with such ensigns as had not those ornaments.
The Antiquities by the Jews by Flavius Josephus, Book 18, 3:1
Note: This is merely a reference to an external literature to help strengthen the statements made in this study, and not an endorsement of any other literature or statements made by Flavius Josephus.

The Romans upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and upon the burning of the set-apart house itself, and of all the buildings lying round about it, brought their ensigns to the Temple, and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator, with the greatest acclamations of joy
The Wars of the Jews by Flavius Josephus, Book 6, 6:1
Note: This is merely a reference to an external literature to help strengthen the statements made in this study, and not an endorsement of any other literature or statements made by Flavius Josephus.

The camp religion of the Romans is all through a worship of the ensigns, setting the ensigns above all gods.
Apologetic by Tertullian, Chapter 16
Note: This is merely a reference to an external literature to help strengthen the statements made in this study, and not an endorsement of any other literature or statements made by
Tertullian.

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[utilyan]

A one man study is worthless. Where is the teaching actually passed down?

Name living one christian with better understanding who taught you the scriptures.

Just some extreme radical rich kid nut who thinks he can take a better gander at religion is disingenuous.


PS. Ask this guy if Jesus Christ is God Almighty, Trinity. Wolfs in sheep's clothing always front with deception and lies.

 

[gaviria.christian]

A one man study is worthless. Where is the teaching actually passed down?

Name living one christian with better understanding who taught you the scriptures.

Just some extreme radical rich kid nut who thinks he can take a better gander at religion is disingenuous.


PS. Ask this guy if Jesus Christ is God Almighty, Trinity. Wolfs in sheep's clothing always front with deception and lies.

The scriptures teach us, "let he who boasts boast that he knows and understands me". Yet what do you people do? Reproach someone who has understanding of scripture, simply because he has understanding of scripture, because you yourselves are devoid of any understanding of scripture. You should be thanking me for passing down this information to you, and freely. But indeed pearls are wasted on dogs.

 

[Revmitchell]

"Without an absolute shadow of a doubt"

People show up here with their oddball ideas about what scripture says and they always tag it with such phrases. It's overcompensation by those who are desperate to be right.

 

[gaviria.christian]

"Without an absolute shadow of a doubt"

People show up here with their oddball ideas about what scripture says and they always tag it with such phrases. It's overcompensation by those who are desperate to be right.

I would say desperation to have the truth is a good thing, not a bad thing. And in having the truth, I am also right. And where does that leave you people? In the lie, because rather than perceive that someone is trying to tell you the truth for your own benefit, you see him as "trying to be right", as if I have anything to gain from people in some random internet forum agreeing with my views.

 

[Revmitchell]

I would say desperation to have the truth is a good thing, not a bad thing. And in having the truth, I am also right. And where does that leave you people? In the lie, because rather than perceive that someone is trying to tell you the truth for your own benefit, you see him as "trying to be right", as if I have anything to gain from people in some random internet forum agreeing with my views.

Well if you said it it must be true then.

 

[gaviria.christian]

Well if you said it it must be true then.

It's not because I say it, its because the scriptures say it, and history proves it to be true. I am merely repeating what the scriptures and history proves has happened. Yet you people hate me for it, because it all opposes all the lies and fantasies you people love to yap about. If I were yapping the same nonsense you people are yapping then you would love me and embrace me, but no, you hate me and roll your eyes at me because ultimately you people are not in the truth. And rather than thank me, for giving you pearls of wisdom, you trample my pearls, and growl at me like vicious dogs.

 

[Revmitchell]

It's not because I say it, its because the scriptures say it, and history proves it to be true. I am merely repeating what the scriptures and history proves has happened. Yet you people hate me for it, because it all opposes all the lies and fantasies you people love to yap about. If I were yapping the same nonsense you people are yapping then you would love me and embrace me, but no, you hate me and roll your eyes at me because ultimately you people are not in the truth. And rather than thank me, for giving you pearls of wisdom, you trample my pearls, and growl at me like vicious dogs.

 

[utilyan]

The scriptures teach us, "let he who boasts boast that he knows and understands me". Yet what do you people do? Reproach someone who has understanding of scripture, simply because he has understanding of scripture, because you yourselves are devoid of any understanding of scripture. You should be thanking me for passing down this information to you, and freely. But indeed pearls are wasted on dogs.

I want to know who passed it to you brother. Self-proclaim prophets come here all the time expecting me to take it on their "holy spirit" lead word. What sets you apart from the crazy nuts?

Have your paid genealogist "discovered" if you are Jewish yet?

 

[gaviria.christian]

I want to know who passed it to you brother. Self-proclaim prophets come here all the time expecting me to take it on their "holy spirit" lead word. What sets you apart from the crazy nuts?

Have your paid genealogist "discovered" if you are Jewish yet?

What I teach is unique and original and true, so no one "passed it to me" as if I'm a follower of some sect, except what God "has passed down to me", who has graciously given me a profound understanding of the truth, which I offer freely to the world. What sets me apart is that I teach obedience to the Torah, which most believers discard, and also being rich in good works by giving to the poor, which most believers also discard, and I also teach that paper money and fiat currency is the mark of the beast, which barely anyone in the world teaches. And aside from these things, I also teach many many other things that are unique and original and true. I offer a vast array of knowledge and understanding, available on my website, for free.

 

[Revmitchell]

If its new its not true, if its true its not new.

 

[gaviria.christian]

If its new its not true, if its true its not new.

This is true. It's only "new" to those who don't know the truth. But to those who do know the truth, it's something they already knew, and they receive the information they already knew with gladness, because they know it's true.

 

[Revmitchell]

What I teach is unique and original and true, so no one "passed it to me" as if I'm a follower of some sect, except what God "has passed down to me", who has graciously given me a profound understanding of the truth, which I offer freely to the world. What sets me apart is that I teach obedience to the Torah, which most believers discard, and also being rich in good works by giving to the poor, which most believers also discard, and I also teach that paper money and fiat currency is the mark of the beast, which barely anyone in the world teaches. And aside from these things, I also teach many many other things that are unique and original and true. I offer a vast array of knowledge and understanding, available on my website, for free.

You think a lot of yourself. You come on this board with your unorthodox ideas, make inflammatory statements and then accuse. What you need to do is get yourself under control or you will not last around here.

 

[gaviria.christian]

You think a lot of yourself. You come on this board with your unorthodox ideas, make inflammatory statements and then accuse. What you need to do is get yourself under control or you will not last around here.

Quite the contrary, I think very little of myself. I am aware that I deserve death according to the Law of God because of the depravities and sins I have committed, but I understand that with God there is forgiveness and favor to those who repent and seek him, so I sit here confident sharing the truth with you people not because I myself have anything to brag regarding myself, but because I have everything to brag regarding the truth and wonders of God.

 

[Revmitchell]

Quite the contrary, I think very little of myself. I am aware that I deserve death according to the Law of God because of the depravities and sins I have committed, but I understand that with God there is forgiveness and favor to those who repent and seek him, so I sit here confident sharing the truth with you people not because I myself have anything to brag regarding myself, but because I have everything to brag regarding the truth and wonders of God.

"What I teach is unique and original and true, so no one "passed it to me"

"given me a profound understanding of the truth,"

"What sets me apart"

"I also teach........which barely anyone in the world teaches."

"I also teach many many other things that are unique and original"

" I offer a vast array of knowledge and understanding"

All of post # 3

"rather than thank me, for giving you pearls of wisdom,"



All the above statement are pure pride.

 

[gaviria.christian]

"What I teach is unique and original and true, so no one "passed it to me"

"given me a profound understanding of the truth,"

"What sets me apart"

"I also teach........which barely anyone in the world teaches."

"I also teach many many other things that are unique and original"

" I offer a vast array of knowledge and understanding"

All of post # 3

"rather than thank me, for giving you pearls of wisdom,"



All the above statement are pure pride.

While you perceive my bragging regarding my understanding of the truth to be evil, the scriptures teach us to brag about our understanding of the truth, "let him who boasts boast that he knows and understands me", because knowledge and understanding of the truth is good. Having no knowledge and understanding of the truth is like an engine with no gasoline, it is useless. [Edited]

 

[Revmitchell]

While you perceive my bragging regarding my understanding of the truth to be evil, the scriptures teach us to brag about our understanding of the truth, "let him who boasts boast that he knows and understands me", because knowledge and understanding of the truth is good. Having no knowledge and understanding of the truth is like an engine with no gasoline, it is useless. You people are devoid of understanding, which is why you reproach me for sharing the truth with you, and you are also stubborn, which is worse than a mere fool who knows nothing, because at least he can be taught something without any pretense that will block him from coming to some or complete understanding.

Who are "you people"?

 

[robycop3]

It is historical fact that the Roman emperors were worshiped as gods, which is why not only a temple was built to worship Vespasian and Titus, which is the Temple of Vespasian and Titus, but even the ensigns that were brought to the temple were images of Caesar. Without an absolute shadow of a doubt the abomination of desolation spoken by Daniel and the Messiah was the one committed by the Romans, which is why it is written, "when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies AND the abomination of desolation, then those who are in Judea flee, because its destruction is nigh". And Flavius Josephus is not the only early writer affirming this truth, but also other writers like Tertullian, who have affirmed that indeed the Romans worshiped their ensigns, which had images of Caesar, the great Roman emperor. You are ignoring fulfillment of prophecy in actual history in favor of fantasies that exist in your own head. Also, "beasts" in prophecy are nations, not "one man". You have no understanding of prophetic visions.


Now Pilate, who was sent as procurator into Judea by Tiberius, sent by night those images of Caesar that are called ensigns into Jerusalem. This excited a very among great tumult among the Jews when it was day; for those that were near them were astonished at the sight of them, as indications that their laws were trodden under foot; for those laws do not permit any sort of image to be brought into the city. Nay, besides the indignation which the citizens had themselves at this procedure, a vast number of people came running out of the country. These came zealously to Pilate to Cesarea, and besought him to carry those ensigns out of Jerusalem, and to preserve them their ancient laws inviolable; but upon Pilate's denial of their request, they fell down prostrate upon the ground, and continued immovable in that posture for five days and as many nights.
The Wars of the Jews by Flavius Josephus, Book 2, 9:2
Note: This is merely a reference to an external literature to help strengthen the statements made in this study, and not an endorsement of any other literature or statements made by Flavius Josephus.

But now Pilate, the procurator of Judea, removed the army from Caesarea to Jerusalem, to take their winter quarters there, in order to abolish the Jewish laws. So he introduced effigies of Caesar, which were upon the ensigns, and brought them into the city; whereas our law forbids us the very making of images; on which account the former procurators were wont to make their entry into the city with such ensigns as had not those ornaments.
The Antiquities by the Jews by Flavius Josephus, Book 18, 3:1
Note: This is merely a reference to an external literature to help strengthen the statements made in this study, and not an endorsement of any other literature or statements made by Flavius Josephus.

The Romans upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and upon the burning of the set-apart house itself, and of all the buildings lying round about it, brought their ensigns to the Temple, and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator, with the greatest acclamations of joy
The Wars of the Jews by Flavius Josephus, Book 6, 6:1
Note: This is merely a reference to an external literature to help strengthen the statements made in this study, and not an endorsement of any other literature or statements made by Flavius Josephus.

The camp religion of the Romans is all through a worship of the ensigns, setting the ensigns above all gods.
Apologetic by Tertullian, Chapter 16
Note: This is merely a reference to an external literature to help strengthen the statements made in this study, and not an endorsement of any other literature or statements made by
Tertullian.

The Identity of the Beast of Revelation, the Antichrist, the Prostitute of Babylon, the Mark of the Beast, and the Meaning of 666 | Wisdom of God

No, the AOD will be when the antichrist, as ruler of a great empire, will enter the new temple the Jews will build in Jerusalem & declare himself God. The Romans didn't do it. Nor did either the great trib or Jesus' return occur then, of course. And no mark of the beast was issued.

 

[utilyan]

What I teach is unique and original and true, so no one "passed it to me" as if I'm a follower of some sect, except what God "has passed down to me", who has graciously given me a profound understanding of the truth, which I offer freely to the world. What sets me apart is that I teach obedience to the Torah, which most believers discard, and also being rich in good works by giving to the poor, which most believers also discard, and I also teach that paper money and fiat currency is the mark of the beast, which barely anyone in the world teaches. And aside from these things, I also teach many many other things that are unique and original and true. I offer a vast array of knowledge and understanding, available on my website, for free.

"What I teach is unique and original and true, so no one "passed it to me" as if I'm a follower of some sect, except what God "has passed down to me", who has graciously given me a profound understanding of the truth, which I offer freely to the world."

You are ANOTHER RICH KID? Privileged and superior minded?

Are you without sin? Living a Perfect life?

Do you remember anyone in here? -->Inconsiderate?

You don't care for anyone? you offer nothing improved in practice or for faith?

What is leading you to have a take on any religion at all? Did you smoke a joint and watched the ten commandments or passion of Christ?

If you got a BETTER technique for better relationship with God, Life and other people lets hear it.

But if all you have is a useless retcon/correction of history and future, you help NNE NOW. NOW is the present moment, Now is the only time that matters.


"What I teach is unique and original and true, so no one "passed it to me" as if I'm a follower of some sect, except what God "has passed down to me", who has graciously given me a profound understanding of the truth, which I offer freely to the world. "

We don't care about what you teach. We care about what GOD teaches, what YOU have LEARNED.

You want to share your take on religion, that would be perfect.

But you want to step in and insist everyone else is wrong and of course finally Great Gaviria got it right. Millions of people do that every day.

If you got a BETTER technique for better relationship with God, Life and other people lets hear it. Anything beyond that is just useless.

 

[gaviria.christian]

No, the AOD will be when the antichrist, as ruler of a great empire, will enter the new temple the Jews will build in Jerusalem & declare himself God. The Romans didn't do it. Nor did either the great trib or Jesus' return occur then, of course. And no mark of the beast was issued.

Haha, even when presented with historical fact that the Romans set up an abomination at the temple when they destroyed it people like you still reject these truths in favor of your own delusions and fantasies. It reminds me when I've argued with flat earthers trying to persuade them that the earth is indeed spherical, and even if I show them satellite imagery proving that what I'm saying is true, they still reject these proofs in favor of their own delusions and fantasies that the earth is flat. The ignorance is just astounding.