Abortion doctor shot and killed in church...

[BigBossman]

If BHO is a baby killer then G. Bush is a murderer of young Americans in the military. You emotions are running away with your logic and rationality.

So by your logic, the Islamic militants shouldn't be held accountable? I guess that means you believe that abortion doctors shouldn't be held accountable for their actions either.

There's a big difference between sending soldiers to war & aborting babies. A soldier can denfend himself better than a baby can. Are you saying you'd sooner side with a person who supports killing innocent babies, than to support a person who sends people to war? I can't understand your reasoning.

 

[Crabtownboy]

So by your logic, the Islamic militants shouldn't be held accountable? I guess that means you believe that abortion doctors shouldn't be held accountable for their actions either.

There's a big difference between sending soldiers to war & aborting babies. A soldier can denfend himself better than a baby can. Are you saying you'd sooner side with a person who supports killing innocent babies, than to support a person who sends people to war? I can't understand that.

Don't believe I even mentioned Islamic militants. I was simply showing the fallacy of the logic used to call BHO a baby killer. You made a huge unsupportable leap of logic in your statement. You can do better.

Sending people to war in a justifible way is one thing, sending them to a completely unjust war is nor a good thing ... and Iraq was and is an unjust war.

I am saying there is no way a Christian can justify killing a person like this doctor. Show me where Christ said we are to kill those who we do not agree with. This is secular, wordly thinking ... pretty much like the thinking of the Islamic militants. I don't agree with them, so I'll kill them.

 

[targus]

I am saying there is no way a Christian can justify killing a person like this doctor.

Fair enough. I believe that murdering this killer of the unborn is not justifiable.

Now tell me how a Christian can justify the murder of the unborn.

Tell me how a Chrisitian can justify supporting/promoting a politician that will increase the number of abortions performed through use of his office.

As I said, I would literally die of shame if I were to find myself in your shoes.

 

[tinytim]

No, they will simply go to someone else.



Do you want God to have that attitude towards YOU on judgment day?



Poetic justice?

I am really STUNNED by the level of exceedingly cold cold COLD hearted attitudes that some people on this thread are exhibiting. So very inappropiate, and actually quite telling.

And yes, I am against abortions. They are the killing of a baby. We all know that.

But imo that is no excuse for the type of bloodlust that is showing up on this thread.

God have mercy

Since I have respected your opinions, I will admit, I was in anger when I called it poetic justice... that was over the line.

BUT... This guy MURDERED SWEET INNOCENT BABIES... and had no remorse for them... he was a serial killer...

The only mourning I will do is for his family... for the babies that he killed... and for the fact that sin leads to death.

No one except extreme liberals and extreme Muslims mourned for the hijackers on 9/11... but this guy killed more than them and we have people holding vigils for HIM.

No one in their right mind mourned for Hitler.. but this guy promoted the American holocaust.

No one in their right mind mourned for Hussein when he was promoting genocide.

What if you had Osama Bin Ladin in your crosshairs would you kill him?

It's not bloodlust... it's Justice..

Or are you ignoring the statement by Jesus already posted where Jesus Himself said it was better for a person to be tied to a millstone and cast in the sea than to hurt a kid?

This guy was a murderous thug, as bad as any serial killer ever to walk American Soil. He performed LATE TERM ABORTIONS....

Don't you all get it? HE WAS KILLING BABIES... EVEN WAS GOING TO KILL SOME THIS WEEK!!!

BUT YOU FEEL BAD FOR HIM?

Man, this country is really twisted...

NOW Marshalls are protecting the abortionists...
Who is protecting the innocent babies?

 

[Palatka51]

1) I don't think that a church should turn anyone away from a worship service whether he/she is a member or not.

According to Pauline doctrine you would be in danger of disobedience.

2) And Obama and all that support abortions are guilty of killing babies.

2) No, they are not. That argument is silly.

So Herod the Great is not accountable for the order he gave to have all the children slaughtered in Bethlehem? Obama signed off on legislation that would and did allow for the death of infants that survive a late term abortion to die on a cold table while crying for help. Obama is just as much a baby killer as was Herod.

Your (I refuse to use the word logic because it is beyond any sensible reasoning) thought process is very flawed.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Fair enough. I believe that murdering this killer of the unborn is not justifiable.

So, you are justified in murdering anyone who does not agree with your personal theology. Can you quote where Christ says that is OK?

Now tell me how a Christian can justify the murder of the unborn.

I have not tried to do that.

Tell me how a Chrisitian can justify supporting/promoting a politician that will increase the number of abortions performed through use of his office.

We've been over that. No use buring that field again.
As I said, I would literally die of shame if I were to find myself in your shoes.[/QUOTE]

 

[BigBossman]

I am saying there is no way a Christian can justify killing a person like this doctor. Show me where Christ said we are to kill those who we do not agree with. This is secular, wordly thinking ... pretty much like the thinking of the Islamic militants. I don't agree with them, so I'll kill them.

Killing because we disagree with someone is wrong. I don't think that the pro-lifer killed the abortion doctor simply because they had opposing points of view. I'm pretty certain it had to do with him killing babies. While I don't like the act that the pro-lifer did & while I completely feel bad for the doctor's family, he got what he deserved. I feel no sympathy what-so-ever for the abortion doctor. He made his living killing innocent life.

 

[donnA]

So if a non-Christian walks into a worship service you are attending, you get up and walk out?

Did he just happen to walk inot a worship service, or was he a member there? Seems strange soemone wants to kill him and knows to find him in a church he does not regularly attend.
Should serial killers, mass murders, who are active in their murders(unrepentant, still active) be accepted as active church members, or church memebrs at all?

Barack Obama is not a baby killer. You can post that another thousand times in addition to the thousand times you have already posted that libelous statement on this board and it still won't be true.

He increased funding for murdering babies, he now allows people to stab babies in the head with scissors, and you don't think he's a baby killer.
think again, he's got the blood of those babies who die because of increased funding or partial birth abortion on his hands.

I am impressed by your Christian compassion, donnA.

what beleiving scripture is something to be mocked by you?
sorry for you then.

Tiller was an USHER.. NO church allows visitors to be ushers... He had to be a part of that "church"...

so he was an active unrepentant mass murder member of a church.
I would never be a part of a 'church' like that.

And Obama and all that support abortions are guilty of killing babies.

AMEN!

I don't think that a church should turn anyone away from a worship service whether he/she is a member or not.

this si not simply attensing a worship service, but being an active member, fully accepted like anyone else who does not murder for a living.
would you accept as an active member a hitman who makes his living murdering? with no expectation of repentance, no expectation of the changes the bible says the Holy Spirit make sin us?
yes, you probably would, throw scripture out no need for it anymore.

To allow an abortionist to represent a church in that way speaks volumes about this church..

it speaks that this si not a church of Jesus when they approve a mass murderer to be a aprt of their 'church'.

Do you want God to have that attitude towards YOU on judgment day?

It's the word of God, not me, you want to complain, complain to Him.
Unless ofcourse you don't beleive the word of God is true.
I don't feel sorry for anyone who makes a living ripping babies apart, or burning them to death with saline solution, or stabbing them in the head with scissors, all the while the scream out in pain and fight as best they can to try and save themselves. Imagine that, a tiny baby having to try to save itself, because christians approved his murder.

 

[Palatka51]

Since I have respected your opinions, I will admit, I was in anger when I called it poetic justice... that was over the line.

BUT... This guy MURDERED SWEET INNOCENT BABIES... and had no remorse for them... he was a serial killer...

The only mourning I will do is for his family... for the babies that he killed... and for the fact that sin leads to death.

No one except extreme liberals and extreme Muslims mourned for the hijackers on 9/11... but this guy killed more than them and we have people holding vigils for HIM.

No one in their right mind mourned for Hitler.. but this guy promoted the American holocaust.

No one in their right mind mourned for Hussein when he was promoting genocide.

What if you had Osama Bin Ladin in your crosshairs would you kill him?

It's not bloodlust... it's Justice..

Or are you ignoring the statement by Jesus already posted where Jesus Himself said it was better for a person to be tied to a millstone and cast in the sea than to hurt a kid?

This guy was a murderous thug, as bad as any serial killer ever to walk American Soil. He performed LATE TERM ABORTIONS....

Don't you all get it? HE WAS KILLING BABIES... EVEN WAS GOING TO KILL SOME THIS WEEK!!!

BUT YOU FEEL BAD FOR HIM?

Man, this country is really twisted...

NOW Marshalls are protecting the abortionists...
Who is protecting the innocent babies?

Tim;

I respect your passion and I know that the government has failed in it's God given right to protect it's most innocent but it is God who is going to judge this nation for the slaughter of 50 million souls, not us. It is not our individual duty to take a life except in self defense.

We have become a nation of death. The God of life will recompense the evil and vengeance will be in His time. It is quite apparent that the tares among us have risen their heads in pride and as the harvest approaches ever nearer, it will be their heads celebrating their life in this world as the true Church bows it's head in humility and for sadness because we will know that now comes the Wrath of THE Living GOD.:tear:

That sadness will not be for ourselves, as we are saved from wrath but for those that have lived among us, worshiped with us, worked with us and yet never gained eternal grace because of their stubborn pride. raying:

Your Brother in all the things of Christ;

Mel

 

[Aaron]

If someone was trying to kill a little kid next door, would you try to stop them, even if it meant to kill the perpetrator?

I would. And it would not be a sin. I would be protecting the innocent.

This guy was very open about performing late term abortions.. He was an outspoken proponent for murder. HE apparently loved his job of murdering kids...

And you sad, sad Christians mourn for this trash more than you do for the INNOCENT lives he destroyed.

This guy had a choice.. He chose death. And it is poetic Justice that a bullet took him out by hitting him in the head.. after he jabbed scissors into innocent baby's heads...

If the government would do it's job and protect our innocent babies by putting to death scum like this, then today's scenario would never happen.

I logged in simply to weigh in on this matter. Tim is exactly right here, and those who think that Tiller's slaying is a tragedy are willingly ignorant of the fact that unborn children are real and true children. Either that, or they agree with the CNN guest's comment that they are more dispensible than adults. What he did was no different than if women could march their toddlers into his office and have them killed, and no different than Nazi's marching Jews into concentration camps.

Tiller was a murderer of the most heinous order. His specialty was killing children in the womb late term. His office falsified documents to hide the crimes of incest and child rape, and Kansas' former governor, now a member of Obama's cabinet, is an accessory to his crimes.

If the media would show video after video of what this "doctor" actually did, the country would hail his slaying as a just act, and his slayer as a hero.

But Tiller-the-Killer's slayer is no hero (unless he turns out to be the father of one of the under-aged girls that Tiller violated). Tiller's killer should be seen in the same light as the hungry man who stole bread, or the man falsely imprisoned who slew his abusive guard. Neither act is justified, and both acts God will judge, but no one could justly despise either man.

So, though I do not hail Tiller's killer as a hero, I do not despise him, and I understand what drove him to do what he did. The wisest man who ever lived said that "oppression maketh a wise man mad." I do not share Tim's view that he should be punished to the fullest extent. He did what he did to save innocent life, and that warrants mitigation in my view.

But he won't get it. Not in a culture that loves death, and especially the deaths of innocent children.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I logged in simply to weigh in on this matter. Tim is exactly right here, and those who think that Tiller's slaying is a tragedy are willingly ignorant of the fact that unborn children are real and true children.

I am absolutely flabbergasted that Christians can in any way condone this act. As has been pointed out, this is no different than what the 9/11 terrorists did...kill over a disagreement about religion. This points out very clearly, the fact that we should never intermingle government and religion, because if extremist elements of ANY religion gain the levers of power, liberty is dead.

His office falsified documents to hide the crimes of incest and child rape, and Kansas' former governor, now a member of Obama's cabinet, is an accessory to his crimes.

Got any proof of this? And even if true, it does not excuse cold blooded murder.

 

[LadyEagle]

I do not like abortion. My fear was that if Palin became president, as could well happen since McCain is over 70, that she would completely destroy the country ... not that she would mean to, but I saw and see her as completely unfit for the job of president. That may or may not have happened, but it was my concern.

Well, fear no longer....Obama will save this country.

 

[annsni]

I am saddened by ANY human life being lost - the doctor's or the unborn children. Yes, the children may have a chance to survive now since very few doctors will do late term abortions but someone has decided that this man did not deserve the chance to come to know the Lord in a soul-saving way (if he was in ANY church, he atleast was familiar with Him but that doesn't mean that he knew Him). I do think that it is a really tough situation but who knows what God could have done in this man's life and in the lives of those around him if we had prayed and someone tried to get close to him and minister to him. Other abortionists have changed sides and have become very outspoken for the pro-life side but this man does not have a chance.

So I am glad that some little lives will be saved but I am saddened that someone decided that this man wasn't worth heaven when NONE of us are.

 

[Berean]

Almost any thread I view I am reminded of the story of the two persons meeting on the street and in conversation one asked he other how his church was doing, to which he replied "great". 'Do you have te same pastor"? No he replied "we fired him". "Why"? He kept telling us that if we didn't repent we were going to Hell. What does your new pastor tell you?
He tells us the same thing, but he doesn't seem to enjoy it as much.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

The thing to remember is that this doctor was operating within Kansas law that allows for termination of pregnancy with a viable fetus IF two doctors agree that continuation of pregnancy would do irreparable harm to the mother. How about the women he has saved? Late term abortion is not just an everyday convenience procedure.

 

[Pastor Larry]

How about the women he has saved?

Do you have any actual, verifiable proof of women that he has saved? Of course not, because it is purely subjective. It is an argument that doesn't make sense when you think about it.

 

[annsni]

The thing to remember is that this doctor was operating within Kansas law that allows for termination of pregnancy with a viable fetus IF two doctors agree that continuation of pregnancy would do irreparable harm to the mother. How about the women he has saved? Late term abortion is not just an everyday convenience procedure.

I'm sorry but a third trimester abortion is all about killing a baby. It's not about saving a mother's life. She is still giving birth and by making the cervix open just a little more, a LIVE baby can be born. A child in the third trimester after 26 weeks has a chance at life. Scissors in the back of the skull and it's brains sucked out guarantees a dead baby. There is NO reason for a late term abortion because in every case, the mother CAN give birth to a live child. Actually, a late term abortion is actually riskier than the mother giving birth because it is introducing a foreign object into the uterus - risking rupturing the uterus. There's no good reason for it EVER.

 

[annsni]

Al Mohler's blog today on this subject:

http://www.albertmohler.com/blog_read.php?id=3866

 

[Aaron]

Al Mohler's blog today on this subject:

http://www.albertmohler.com/blog_read.php?id=3866

Mohler is incorrect saying this was in "cold blood." I grow tired of prominent Christians overcompensating in an attempt to placate the enemy and divert their hostility.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I'm sorry but a third trimester abortion is all about killing a baby. It's not about saving a mother's life. She is still giving birth and by making the cervix open just a little more, a LIVE baby can be born. A child in the third trimester after 26 weeks has a chance at life. Scissors in the back of the skull and it's brains sucked out guarantees a dead baby. There is NO reason for a late term abortion because in every case, the mother CAN give birth to a live child. Actually, a late term abortion is actually riskier than the mother giving birth because it is introducing a foreign object into the uterus - risking rupturing the uterus. There's no good reason for it EVER.

Really? Are you a doctor? Are you trained in obstetrics?

Plus, death of the mother in childbirth used to be common. Not so much anymore. Tells me that there is indeed danger.