Abortion Is Wrong

[freeatlast]

I would say it take someone who is called by God. There are many out there who were not and you often end up with termoil as seen in many modern Churches. Otherwise with Christians/Pastors who take unbiblical stances as I think Jim1999.

It is not about a special person. It is about a special God. God does the calling and God does the shaping of those who He calls.

 

[RalphIII]

It is not about a special person. It is about a special God. God does the calling and God does the shaping of those who He calls.

Exactly my point! It is the false prophets people need to learn to recognize and be carefull of as the Bible states.

God Bless

 

[RalphIII]

Originally posted by Jim1999; “What makes all abortions wrong? The emphasis here is on "all". Just when does the soul come into existence? Did it exist in all eternity? Does it enter the body as the fetus develops, and at what stage? Does the soul enter the body at birth? Was the soul created by God? Did the soul develop as a natural attribute from Adam?

Remember, there are scriptures quoted for all three viewpoints. Also, the answers must correlate with other doctrines such as original sin and the Adamic relationship with all humankind.”

Wow! First, the Bible says God created all things and it is stunning a professing Christian/Pastor would question that or give rise in doubt of that!

REVELATION 4:11 NKJ
11 "You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and by Your will they exist and were created."

That may explain some things however as many modern Churches/Pastors are really out there and in conflict with God. Do you think the devil possibly created your soul or that you are equal to God in having existed from the beginning as He or your soul exists in spite of Him?

Secondly, I posted much Scripture which should have completely put to rest your continued questioning of when God has reverence for us. I went ahead and re-posted some of those at the end. Quite honestly, anyone who truly knows God doesn’t really need Scripture for such as you should ere on the side of the sanctity of life! In addition, where in the Bible does it say your soul is not you, or that you are not your soul? Otherwise, why would you not revere life from conception and even before as God clearly does?

Jeremiah 1:4-5 4 "Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying: 5 “ Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”

Some attempt to argue Scripture leans toward actual birth or some questionable point after conception; only, you have to throw out the rest of Scripture in making that red herring argument. It is akin to arguing the letter “A” doesn’t exist in our language because of the existence of the letter “D”.


It really goes back to my original point that some people are either ignorant of God’s Word or they choose to ignore God’s Word so they can continue in their un-Godly ways. It is clear many people argue and deny the sanctity of life within the womb simply in order to justify their support for abortions.


1) When do you as an educated man and Christian believe life deserves reverence and thus should be protected?

2) In what instances do you believe abortions are acceptable?

1Sam1 is the story of Hannah who could not conceive and suffered great humiliation for it. She fervently prayed to God until He blessed her and she “conceived and bore a son, and called his name Samuel".See also Gen. 29:31-30:24, Gen.20:17-18 etc.


At the time the Angel tells Mary she will soon conceive Jesus; She is also told that Elizabeth is "6 months" pregnant with a "son".
Luke 1:36-37 "Now indeed, Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age….."

Luke 1:24 "Now after those days his wife Elizabeth conceived…" When Mary went to visit Elizabeth she would have only been a few weeks pregnant. Elizabeth would have been 6 months or so. Look at the reverence the Holy Spirit shown Mary and our newly conceived Savior.
Luke 1:41-44 "And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me…."


Luke 1:18-21 "…Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit”.


Luke 2:21 “And when eight days were completed for the circumcision of the Child, His name was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb.”

Psalm 127:3-5 “Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb is a reward….”

Job 3:1-3 “After this Job opened his mouth and cursed the day of his birth. And Job spoke, and said: “May the day perish on which I was born, And the night in which it was said, A male child is conceived…”

Gen. 4:1 “Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived..”

Gen. 4:17 “Cain knew his wife, and she conceived..”

Gen. 16:4 “So he went in to Hagar, and she conceived..”

Gen. 21:2 “Sarah conceived….”

Gen 29:32 “So Leah conceived…”

Gen 29:33 “Then she conceived again..”

Ex. 2:2 “So the woman conceived..”

SEE ALSO, Num. 5:28, Judges 13:3, Judges 13:5, 1 Chr. 7:23, Is. 7:14 and Heb. 11:11 etc, etc.

God Bless

 

[Jim1999]

So, what do you do with original sin? Did God create that to as He created your infividual soul. So, God is the Author of sin, is He?

Try reading the historic theologians such as Hodge, Berkower, Strong and other fundamental theologs.....These are not new thoughts, Even current theologians will wrestle with the origin of the soul. It just isn't that simple. It must correlate with other doctrines.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Jim1999]

Quote::: Wow! First, the Bible says God created all things
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So, all things is it? When did God create sin, and please don't hedge about. Maybe you should learn how to understand the whole of scripture and not wrangle a meaning out of one word.

You just pointed a sick finger at every theologian and preacher down through history. Have you actually studied all the Bible?

Sorry, I don't like pointing fingers, but I am growing beyond ignorance when accusations are made such as yours.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[RalphIII]

Quote::: Wow! First, the Bible says God created all things
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So, all things is it? When did God create sin, and please don't hedge about. Maybe you should learn how to understand the whole of scripture and not wrangle a meaning out of one word.

You just pointed a sick finger at every theologian and preacher down through history. Have you actually studied all the Bible?

Sorry, I don't like pointing fingers, but I am growing beyond ignorance when accusations are made such as yours.

Cheers,

Jim

Jim stop throwing out non sensical and continued questions/herrings by refusing to answer those which have been put forth to you! In addition, the Bible is the only thing which needs to be referenced and is clear in this topics regards!

The Bible clearly states God created all things does it not? Does it specifically say sin however? I will answer your question as another prominent pastor and theologin did.

Sin is the absence of God and therefore He did not create sin as you and I understand. Sin is devoid of God. It is the void created when God is absent.
Isn't that indeed how hell is described and wasn't it man who sinned first and thus brought sin into the world?

God Bless and try accepting the Bible as the premier author!

 

[Dragoon68]

So, what do you do with original sin? ...

Ask God to forgive you for it.

 

[Dragoon68]

God created all things but God did not create evil. Both concepts are defined in the Bible.

See Genisis 1, Isaiah 42:5, Isaiah 44:24, Nehemiah 9:6, Acts 17:24-25, 1 John 3:8, Revelation 12:7-9, 1 John 1:5, James 1:13, Romans 1:18, Romans 8:7, and many more.

Evil was born in Satan's pride and subsequent rebellion against God. Evil in man was born by man's willful acceptance of Satan's deception. Evil exists in all men because we all are made from the seed of Adam. God did not create Satan or Adam to be evil. Each chose to be evil by the free will He had given them. Why did God permit this? We don't know except that it is for purposes that suit Him and that should be enough if we accept His superior attributes of being all powerful and all knowing.

Questioning the validity of God's decisions and directions is exactly the tactic that Satan used on Eve.

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

We are not a body, with a soul. We are souls who live in a body. That's why our soul will live for eternity...it's who we are. Therefore, our soul must be present at conception and abortion is murder...God said it. That settles it.

Having said that, It is the official position of The Baptist Board that life begins at conception. Opinions, stated as fact, that would contradict the board's position on this issue will be edited or deleted entirely.

 

[crazycat]

I think Ronald Reagan put it best
I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan, quoted in New York Times, 22 September 1980

 

[PrivateWoman]

abortion if necessary, but not necessarily abortion. That is my motto.

There is a lot of scripture and theology to fit in here.

Cheers,

Jim

I am very shocked that you as a retired Baptist pastor don't think that abortion is wrong. Aren't you happy that your mom didn't decide to abort you? You became a human the second that your mom's egg and your dad's sperm fertilized.

I encourage you to really look closely at this verse:

Life begins at conception. Look at the first part of Jeremiah 1:5 (Before I (A)formed you in the womb I knew you). This shows that you were a human before you were born. God loves unborn babies very much and they are human beings like other humans who have been born already.

Why did God say before He formed you in the womb that He knew you? As soon you were formed in the womb, you were a human.


I encourage you to read a former abortionist, Dr. Beverly McMillian's testimony at http://www.prolifeaction.org/providers/mcmillan.php. She did abortions for years and then she became a Christian and quit doing abortions because she realized that they were wrong. She owns a big all female ob/gyn practice in Jackson, MS today. What do you think about her testimony? She was convicted that abortion was killing babies after she became a Christian.

You also should consider ordering "ProLife Answers to ProChoice Arguments" by Randy Alcorn and read it. It is an excellent book and I think it will help you to understand why abortion is wrong.

 

[blackbird]

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