Abortion: What are you doing to stop it?

[OldRegular]

This is not a political issue but a spiritual one.

It is both!

 

[HAMel]

Not only tell them about Jesus but give them a true choice - one that includes life for the child.

Yes, annsni, I agree. They need to be provided with a true choice absent the dogma as they are already confused to begin with.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I vote for conservative, constitutional candidates.

 

[JamesL]

I vote for conservative, constitutional candidates.

And I like peanut butter

 

[evangelist6589]

Preach Tony goes as silent as a rabbit after his lie about me was exposed. Interesting....

 

[annsni]

Preach Tony goes as silent as a rabbit after his lie about me was exposed. Interesting....

Perhaps he is not online and actually has a life? You know, a job, family, ministry - that sort of thing. Not everyone can spend their life on the computer arguing.

 

[evangelist6589]

Perhaps he is not online and actually has a life? You know, a job, family, ministry - that sort of thing. Not everyone can spend their life on the computer arguing.

He sure posts allot for someone whom is "really busy." Besides I have a life as well, you know a job, a family, evangelism, reading books, reading my bible, nature hikes, going to the gymn, etc..

 

[PreachTony]

Preach Tony goes as silent as a rabbit after his lie about me was exposed. Interesting....

Perhaps he is not online and actually has a life? You know, a job, family, ministry - that sort of thing. Not everyone can spend their life on the computer arguing.

He sure posts allot for someone whom is "really busy." Besides I have a life as well, you know a job, a family, evangelism, reading books, reading my bible, nature hikes, going to the gymn, etc..

Evan, I do have a life. I am able to often check the board at work, as my job requires compiling documentation meaning I have bursts of downtime. I do have a life outside of this place, as well. When I'm not working, I'm either with my family, at my church, or, more often than not, with my girlfriend.

Now, all that aside, would you please educate me on the "lie" I told on you? I'm missing it. See, I believed we were having a decent, civil conversation. You made comments and I replied. I made comments and you replied. At what point did I tell a lie on you?

If it's to do with the "separation" issue, then I apologize if you took that as a lie. It was a a somewhat facetious attempt on my part to point out how I think you allow a legalistic view of separation to stop you from doing a good work for someone else, simply because you don't have doctrinal agreement with them.

 

[OldRegular]

The bible commands SEPARATION from apostates and not fellowship as you believe.

Can't think of the verses at this time but I wrote an article on separation sometime ago and have it online.

Apostates are dangerous and we are not to have fellowship. It's not about disagreements but about the truth. I could partner with a a ARMINIAN church but not a liberal church.

Actually the strongest opponent of abortion in this country is the Roman Catholic Church. They were against abortion while Criswell and Southern Baptists were supporting it.

Following the Roe v. Wade decision, news sources reported that Criswell said, "I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had life separate from its mother that it became an individual person, and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed."

But, according to Land, Criswell "listened intently" to pro-life arguments during the ensuing years, including arguments Land made while teaching at Criswell College beginning in 1975. When the "Criswell Study Bible" was published in 1979, Criswell included "overtly pro-life" study notes, Land said.

Mirroring Criswell's change of mind were similar changes in the broader evangelical world. Theologians Carl Henry and Norman Geisler, for example, both became ardently pro-life.

"Some of our pastors in those years hadn't really studied what Scripture said about abortion," Jerry Vines, former SBC president and retired pastor of First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Fla., told BP. "But I think the carnage [of increased abortion following Roe v. Wade] drove them back to their Bibles to take a further look at it."
http://bpnews.net/44055/how-southern-baptists-became-prolife

Following is a commentary on Southern Baptists and abortion. Given the lack of attention given to abortion from Baptist pulpits the article certainly has merit. I should warn everyone that there is a picture they may not want to see, even though they should.

http://www.christiangallery.com/southernbaptistsandabortion.html

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[padredurand]

Urrr,
Abortion IS birth control.

A condom is birth control. The pill is birth control. Abstinence is birth control. Abortion is the murder of an innocent child while in the mother's womb.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Urrr,
Abortion IS birth control.

In the sense that it involves murdering a child...then yes.

 

[JamesL]

A condom is birth control. The pill is birth control. Abstinence is birth control. Abortion is the murder of an innocent child while in the mother's womb.

That displays how the church has swallowed hook, line and sinker.

Conception and birth are not the same event, they are separated by 9 months. But the world (and the evil one) would love to continue to muddle that interval we call pregnancy.

By making conception and birth the same event....if you can justify any, you can justify them all.

Condom, pill, etc are CONCEPTION control.

But AFTER conception has happened, Birth = DELIVERY

Of those you mentioned, ONLY abortion birth control.

 

[Revmitchell]

A condom is birth control. The pill is birth control. Abstinence is birth control. Abortion is the murder of an innocent child while in the mother's womb.

That is right, and it is sad that such things need to be explained.

 

[quantumfaith]

A condom is birth control. The pill is birth control. Abstinence is birth control. Abortion is the murder of an innocent child while in the mother's womb.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[evangelist6589]

Evan, I do have a life. I am able to often check the board at work, as my job requires compiling documentation meaning I have bursts of downtime. I do have a life outside of this place, as well. When I'm not working, I'm either with my family, at my church, or, more often than not, with my girlfriend.

Now, all that aside, would you please educate me on the "lie" I told on you? I'm missing it. See, I believed we were having a decent, civil conversation. You made comments and I replied. I made comments and you replied. At what point did I tell a lie on you?

If it's to do with the "separation" issue, then I apologize if you took that as a lie. It was a a somewhat facetious attempt on my part to point out how I think you allow a legalistic view of separation to stop you from doing a good work for someone else, simply because you don't have doctrinal agreement with them.

When you said that I do not desire conversation with apostates but just want to write letters. This is a lie and you know it.

 

[JamesL]

That is right, and it is sad that such things need to be explained.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

So, do either of you have an answer for....

That displays how the church has swallowed hook, line and sinker.

Conception and birth are not the same event, they are separated by 9 months. But the world (and the evil one) would love to continue to muddle that interval we call pregnancy.

By making conception and birth the same event....if you can justify any, you can justify them all.

Condom, pill, etc are CONCEPTION control.

But AFTER conception has happened, Birth = DELIVERY

Of those you mentioned, ONLY abortion birth control.

 

[Revmitchell]

So, do either of you have an answer for....

Sure, it was a sad post. The unborn child is just that. That is not "muddling" it is recognizing the fact that in the womb and a living child, a human being. Your belittling of that fact ....well there is just no words for it other than to say it is pure evil.

 

[PreachTony]

When you said that I do not desire conversation with apostates but just want to write letters. This is a lie and you know it.

Let's look at what I actually said, Evan...

I'm not telling you to try to evangelize people or take a leadership position in an "apostate" church.According to your idea of separation then you shouldn't even try to teach these "apostates" about the Lord, because you would have to interact with them in order to do so...or is that why you write letters and send tracts? So that you never have to personally interact with them?

I've bolded the section you are calling out. If you'll notice, I was asking you for clarification. I was not making a statement, but asking a question. You seem to have a fairly staunchly legal idea of 'separation,' so the question seemed valid to me at the time.

I'm sorry you took that as me telling a lie about you. It was never intended as such.

 

[PreachTony]

That displays how the church has swallowed hook, line and sinker.

Conception and birth are not the same event, they are separated by 9 months. But the world (and the evil one) would love to continue to muddle that interval we call pregnancy.

By making conception and birth the same event....if you can justify any, you can justify them all.

Condom, pill, etc are CONCEPTION control.

But AFTER conception has happened, Birth = DELIVERY

Of those you mentioned, ONLY abortion birth control.

So does this mean that abortion is not murder? Murder only counts once a person has been born? How do states get away with charging drunk drivers who kill pregnant women with two counts of vehicular manslaughter?

Clarify, please, James?

 

[evangelist6589]

Let's look at what I actually said, Evan...



I've bolded the section you are calling out. If you'll notice, I was asking you for clarification. I was not making a statement, but asking a question. You seem to have a fairly staunchly legal idea of 'separation,' so the question seemed valid to me at the time.



I'm sorry you took that as me telling a lie about you. It was never intended as such.

Yes indeed it was a question my mistake.