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Yelsew
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1 Corinthians 1:10-16
"I am of Arminius", "I am of Calvin", What a bunch of hogwash!
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Ray Berrian
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I agree, Yelsew, but we have to confront error when it comes down the street. I noticed the post on Arminianism never got off the ground because we don't take our beliefs from Jacob Arminius.
Bible-belted
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The thing is Yelsew, I don't believe that you are saying this for the right reasons.
I think you just don't like to be pinned down and so held accountable. In my years I have met people like you who refuse to be held accountable and won't be pinned down and assume that their lack of affiliation makes them somehow spiritually superior.
The Scripture is true. Your self-righteous application however is false. That's my opinion.
I think you just don't like to be pinned down and so held accountable. In my years I have met people like you who refuse to be held accountable and won't be pinned down and assume that their lack of affiliation makes them somehow spiritually superior.
The Scripture is true. Your self-righteous application however is false. That's my opinion.
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Yelsew
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Though I respect your opinion, you are incredibly wrong!
Ray Berrian
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We cannot be 'pinned down' because we exegete the Word of God; no one can hold Him down. We are 'affiliated' only with the Bible and not the dogmas of Augustine, Calvin or a denomination with a rigid mind set that has been sythesized with the two persecutors noted above.
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Yelsew
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Still insist one categorizing people when the beloved Apostle Paul says it is wrong to do so.
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Yelsew
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Calvin never synthesized any Baptist, he martyred them because they refused to baptize their infants.
Bro. Dallas </font>[/QUOTE]Calvin would surely have a lot of fun today wouldn't he?
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Yelsew
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'the beloved Apostle Paul also said Adam fell of his own will, and you refused to accept that.
Bro. Dallas </font>[/QUOTE]I/ve never denied it!
Ray Berrian
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Brother Dallas,
I usually don't correct someones spelling on their post. But, the word 'martyred' is more correctly spelled ' . . . murdered' them because they would not baptize their infants.' With a martyrdom we usually think of a believer dying at the cruel hands of an unsaved person. But in the cases of Augustine and Calvin we will let these exceptions be included among the ignoble.
I usually don't correct someones spelling on their post. But, the word 'martyred' is more correctly spelled ' . . . murdered' them because they would not baptize their infants.' With a martyrdom we usually think of a believer dying at the cruel hands of an unsaved person. But in the cases of Augustine and Calvin we will let these exceptions be included among the ignoble.
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Yelsew
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Are you saying that Calvin and Saul are Equals because they both murdered people for their religious practices? Was Calvin's name while he was doing the killing, Halvin? We know Saul's was changed to Paul.
Did Calvin do his "martyring" before or after becoming Christian? "After" you say? Then there is no comparing him to the Apostle, who was repentent from his conversion forward. I certainly would not put my trust in Calvin, he violated one of the ten suggestions.
Some people have apparently forgotten the long standing principle of this forum that it is about doctrine, not about people. Calvin may have been a murderer but it is of absolutely no relevance to this discussion. Our beliefs are drawn from Scripture. Your unwillingness to submit your own theology to it is not the problem of John Calvin. You try to use him as an excuse when no one on this side really cares, at least to my knowledge. The reason we don't talk much about Arminius is because he is not the issue. He had some wrong beliefs, but it was his beliefs that were at issue.
This thread was started from a faulty basis because of this very problem. Yelsew, who refuses to listen when people talk, keeps believing that we are following a man. He has been repeatedly told this is not so, but apparently would rather live on in this fairy tale world. The situation in 1 Cor was that people were claiming to be devotees of one man. Here, we are expressly claiming the opposite.
The names "arminianism" and "calvinism" are not designations for those who follow men. They are names that have been attached to particular belief systems about soteriology. This should be well known by those who frequent this forum as much as Yelsew, Romanbear, and Ray do. This is not rocket science gentlemen. You don't need to read Greek or Hebrew, you don't even need to use "Dr Strong." Just read the words in front of you and realize the history of this discussion.
This discussion is about doctrine, not about people.
This thread was started from a faulty basis because of this very problem. Yelsew, who refuses to listen when people talk, keeps believing that we are following a man. He has been repeatedly told this is not so, but apparently would rather live on in this fairy tale world. The situation in 1 Cor was that people were claiming to be devotees of one man. Here, we are expressly claiming the opposite.
The names "arminianism" and "calvinism" are not designations for those who follow men. They are names that have been attached to particular belief systems about soteriology. This should be well known by those who frequent this forum as much as Yelsew, Romanbear, and Ray do. This is not rocket science gentlemen. You don't need to read Greek or Hebrew, you don't even need to use "Dr Strong." Just read the words in front of you and realize the history of this discussion.
This discussion is about doctrine, not about people.
Pasto Larry, do you mean I can be a calvinist without believing everything John Calvin believed in? Are you saying that I don't need a John Calvin tatoo to continue to be a calvinist? I thought there for a minute that because John Calvin did not act just like me, then he must have not had any wisdom when it came to what he observed in scripture. I guess you can believe what the bible says in spite of who also believed it.
Jeffrey Dahmer was an arminian there in prison, so people on this board can still believe what he does without being a canibal right?
Silly Arminians.
Jeffrey Dahmer was an arminian there in prison, so people on this board can still believe what he does without being a canibal right?
Silly Arminians.
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Yelsew
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The same cliam the MORMONS make! How do they differ from what you do? They make "Biblical Doctrine" the Centerpiece of their Religion too! They claim scriptures taken out of context as proof texts for their doctrines the same way calvinists do! What's the difference?