According To Baptist Doctrine

[STAROFDAVID45]

ACCORDING TO MY UNDERSTANDING BAPTIST BELIEVE THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FALL FROM GRACE, THAT WHEN YOU ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOR, ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED.

QUESTIONS:

ARE HOMOSEXUALS BORN HOMOSEXUALS?

BOB IS A HOMOSEXUAL, HE ACCEPTS JESUS CHRIST AS HIS PERSONAL SAVIOR. NOW ACCORDING TO BAPTIST DOCTRINE HE IS SAVED? FOR EVER AND EVER A CHILD OF GOD THAT CANNOT FALL FROM GRACE, ONCE YOU ARE SAVED YOU ARE ALWAYS SAVED. WELL BOB GOES BACK TO HOMOSEXUAL STATUS. WILL BOB REMAIN SAVED AND GO TO HEAVEN BEING BACK AS A HOMOSEXUAL?

IF SO, PROVE IT BY THE BIBLE. SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS A HOMOSEXUAL WILL BE GOING TO HEAVEN. WELL GOD LOVES BOB YES HE DOES, BUT GOD HATES THE SIN. WHY DID GOD DESTROY SODOM AND GOMORRAH? WAS THERE HOMOSEXUALITY THERE?

AWAIT ANSWERS.

THANK YOU

STAR OF DAVID 45
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P.S. ON MY EMBLEM THREAD THE FREE MASON'S STAR IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE STAR OF DAVID.

 

[Hope of Glory]

Do you believe that Scripture is inerrant and does not contradict itself?

In Acts 16:30, the Philippian jailor asks, "What must I do to be saved?"

In verse 31, the answer is given: "Believe [aorist; punctiliar action] on the Lord Jesus [no other conditions given] and you will [indicative; it will happen] be saved."

Works, whether good or bad after one is saved has to do with rewards and chastisement in the age to come, not with everlasting salvation.

 

[Matt Black]

Re the OP:

1. Please do not put everything in capitals.
2. It depends on whether you're a Particular (Calvinist) or General (Arminian) Baptist
3. I agree that our salvation is not dependent on works.
4. But repentence is necessary and I would question the degree to which someone is genuinely repentant if they are living an unrepentant homosexual lifestyle (rather than merely having that sexual orientation)

 

[LeBuick]

The 6th chapter of Luke has an interesting question;

[46] And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
[47] Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

Part of accepting the LORD is accepting his word. There is also repenting and confessing. If a homosexual truly accepted the LORD he/she would repent and practise sin no more. Continuing in sin is not accepting Christ.

 

[Hope of Glory]

So, do you still sin at all, or are you sin free?

 

[Matt Black]

For me the issue is whether or not the sinner is repentant or not; we all continue to sin but the question is whether we have the attitude of not wanting to sin...

 

[bmerr]

DaveStar,

bmerr here. Matt makes a good point in observing that different Baptists believe different things.

The man in your scenario is lost. Repentance is a requirement for salvation (Luke 13:3,5; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 17:30, etc). An unrepentant man is an unbelieving man.

1 Cor 6:9 lists the "effeminate" and the "abusers of themselves with mankind" (takers and givers) among those who shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

In Christ,

bmerr

 

[BobRyan]

You have to remember there are two ways to slice OSAS for Calvinists.

The 3 and 5 point Calvinists says "You were never saved to start with IF you fail to persevere 10 years from today".

The 4 point Calvinists say "does not matter if you join the legions of darkness and evil next year -- you go to heaven anyway if in fact you were previously saved before joining with the Satanists".

A few Arminians will sometimes borrow from one or the other camp of Calvinists in order to cling to OSAS in spite of their acceptance of choice and free will. But those Arminians that accept the Bible doctrine on "perseverance" and consistently hold to the Bible doctrine on choice and free will - do not accept OSAS.

 

[Hope of Glory]

1 Cor 6:9 lists the "effeminate" and the "abusers of themselves with mankind" (takers and givers) among those who shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Here's the key: It's talking about inheriting the Kingdom, not whether or not someone is saved.

 

[genesis12]

Forget "Baptist doctrine." According to God, one who is saved may continue in sin for a season. However, that grieves the Holy Spirit of God. His convicting power "kicks in". Guilt becomes a voice with no promise of hope, the walls of that prison laying claim on one's soul. The one who continues in sin becomes more and more aware of the love of God through Christ Jesus until finally he or she gives up the sin that so often interferes in an abundant life with Jesus.

I would seriously question a person who confesses Christ, but will not give up sin, especially the one you refer to. Did he or she really turn their life over to Christ? We need to be in prayer for those caught up in these circumstances, in any denomination. :flower:

 

[El_Guero]

Show me in the bible where your theoretical Bob is a Christian, then we can discuss the theoreticality of his salvation.

ACCORDING TO MY UNDERSTANDING BAPTIST BELIEVE THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FALL FROM GRACE, THAT WHEN YOU ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOR, ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED.

QUESTIONS:

ARE HOMOSEXUALS BORN HOMOSEXUALS?

BOB IS A HOMOSEXUAL, HE ACCEPTS JESUS CHRIST AS HIS PERSONAL SAVIOR. NOW ACCORDING TO BAPTIST DOCTRINE HE IS SAVED? FOR EVER AND EVER A CHILD OF GOD THAT CANNOT FALL FROM GRACE, ONCE YOU ARE SAVED YOU ARE ALWAYS SAVED. WELL BOB GOES BACK TO HOMOSEXUAL STATUS. WILL BOB REMAIN SAVED AND GO TO HEAVEN BEING BACK AS A HOMOSEXUAL?

IF SO, PROVE IT BY THE BIBLE. SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS A HOMOSEXUAL WILL BE GOING TO HEAVEN. WELL GOD LOVES BOB YES HE DOES, BUT GOD HATES THE SIN. WHY DID GOD DESTROY SODOM AND GOMORRAH? WAS THERE HOMOSEXUALITY THERE?

AWAIT ANSWERS.

THANK YOU

STAR OF DAVID 45
:type: :wavey:

P.S. ON MY EMBLEM THREAD THE FREE MASON'S STAR IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE STAR OF DAVID.

 

[STAROFDAVID45]

El Geuro

IF YOU NOTICED THE THREAD BOB ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST. NOW ARE YOU THE JUDGE AND JURY TO SAY HE WAS NOT A CHRISTIAN AT THIS TIME. IT IS EASY TO SAY. WELL HE WAS NOT SAVED IN THE FIRST PLACE. HOW DO YOU KNOW. YOU SERIOUSLY NEED TO READ (MATT 7:1). ALSO, BAPTIST DOCTRINE ON ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED, SAVED BY FAITH ALONE IS ABSURD. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A TRIP DOWN THE FILES OF THE NEW TESTAMENT WHERE YESHUA SPEAKS TO THE APOSTLE PAUL, JAMES SO FORTH WE WILL, FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME. BUT THINK BEFORE YOU SAY SOMETHING.:sleeping_2: WHILE DON'T YOU SAY THE RABBINICAL JEWS HAVE NO COVENANT OF PROMISE WITH GOD. WOULD GOD GO BACK ON HIS COVENANT WITH ISRAEL?

IN YESHUA

STAROFDAVID45


PS. I KNOW MY BEING A MESSIANIC JEW (A JEW FOR JESUS), I'M NOT A CHRISTIAN EITHER RIGHT. YESHUA IS MY LORD AND MY GOD. I OBEYED YESHUA'S GOSPEL. I HEARD THE WORD AND BY FAITH, I REPENTED, THEN CONFESSED HIM, AND WAS BAPTIZED FOR THE REMISSION OF MY SINS (ACTS 2:38), AND I RECIEVED THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHICH IS THE HOLY SPIRIT, MY GUIDE AND COMFORTER THAT PERSONALLY INDWELLS ME IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WORD OF GOD AND NEVER SEPERATE AND APART FROM THE WORD AND YESHUA ADDED NOT VOTED IN, BUT YESHUA ADDED ME TO HIS CHURCH/KINGDOM.

 

[Matt Black]

Could you stop posting in capitals, please?

 

[mcdirector]

so, if Bob professes to be saved and later decides to go back to his homosexual lifestyle . . .

There are only 2 scenarios IMO:
1) He wasn't saved to begin with. He had one of those experiences like so many others where he decides to walk the aisle, give his heart to Jesus, etc and the Holy Spirit was not in it. In this case, he will not go to heaven because he doesn't know Jesus.
2) He really was saved and later gave in to the carnal in the carnal vs spiritual fight. In this case, he will be in heaven.

I don't believe the Bible lists specific groups of people that will be in heaven other than those who are redeemed by the Lamb's blood.

Baptists aren't unified in OSAS as has been pointed out. Many believe that Bob has given back his salvation by returning to his sinful lifestyle. In that case, Bob could have truly professed Jesus and then rejected him at a later time.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

so, if Bob professes to be saved and later decides to go back to his homosexual lifestyle . . .

There are only 2 scenarios IMO:
1) He wasn't saved to begin with. He had one of those experiences like so many others where he decides to walk the aisle, give his heart to Jesus, etc and the Holy Spirit was not in it. In this case, he will not go to heaven because he doesn't know Jesus.
2) He really was saved and later gave in to the carnal in the carnal vs spiritual fight. In this case, he will be in heaven.

I don't believe the Bible lists specific groups of people that will be in heaven other than those who are redeemed by the Lamb's blood.

Baptists aren't unified in OSAS as has been pointed out. Many believe that Bob has given back his salvation by returning to his sinful lifestyle. In that case, Bob could have truly professed Jesus and then rejected him at a later time.

Bitsey,

I think you are referring to Romans 7, right?

Star of David,

If one is truly a Christian, they will still struggle with sin for the rest of their lives until they are with Jesus in Heaven. It is the doctrine of sanctification. Check it out.

Let me ask you a few questions:

1. Since you were saved, have you sinned at all, or remained pure and holy?

2. Do you think that your decision to accept Christ came from your desire as a lost person to follow Christ, or did God have to change your desires as a lost person before you could seek him? If your answer is the former, then was your salvation based on your own righteousness and good within you or on the righteousness of Christ?

3. Is there a sin besides homosexuality one could commit after being saved and still be saved accoriding to your understanding of salvation?

4. If one loses his salvation based on what they do, then what is their hope? Works? Their own righteousness?

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Matt Black]

:thumbs: Good points all, Joseph.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Counter question

ACCORDING TO MY UNDERSTANDING BAPTIST BELIEVE THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FALL FROM GRACE, THAT WHEN YOU ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOR, ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED.

QUESTIONS:

ARE HOMOSEXUALS BORN HOMOSEXUALS?

BOB IS A HOMOSEXUAL, HE ACCEPTS JESUS CHRIST AS HIS PERSONAL SAVIOR. NOW ACCORDING TO BAPTIST DOCTRINE HE IS SAVED? FOR EVER AND EVER A CHILD OF GOD THAT CANNOT FALL FROM GRACE, ONCE YOU ARE SAVED YOU ARE ALWAYS SAVED. WELL BOB GOES BACK TO HOMOSEXUAL STATUS. WILL BOB REMAIN SAVED AND GO TO HEAVEN BEING BACK AS A HOMOSEXUAL?

IF SO, PROVE IT BY THE BIBLE. SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS A HOMOSEXUAL WILL BE GOING TO HEAVEN. WELL GOD LOVES BOB YES HE DOES, BUT GOD HATES THE SIN. WHY DID GOD DESTROY SODOM AND GOMORRAH? WAS THERE HOMOSEXUALITY THERE?

AWAIT ANSWERS.

THANK YOU

STAR OF DAVID 45
:type: :wavey:

P.S. ON MY EMBLEM THREAD THE FREE MASON'S STAR IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE STAR OF DAVID.

Well, here's Dick. He never worked a day in his life. He grew up in mean streets. He's not homo. He's macho all the way. He likes his women, his beer, his cards, and likes the sound of bone crunching under his fist.
He's also a contract killer. One day he 'accepted' Christ. He was happy about it. He, however, still liked the old life. Liked the feeling of respect
he thinks he gets from them skunks in them mean streets.
His friends in 'Christianity' say he's gotta give up the old lifestyle, but, hey, he don't feel like it. After all, he's not saved by being a good boy, he thinks to himself.
Also, how in darnation is he going to live on a lousy eight dollars an hour ?
One guy he offs gets him the money to not work for another coupla months, besides as far as he's concerned when somebody wants somebody dead, he figures this guy's been wronged somehow, and the world's a better place without the other guy, right ?
Now, if that ain't Christianity in action, Dick wonders what it is, you know,
riddin' earth of scum.
He don't think he's really a sinner, and as far as he is concerned, murder's just a word, and it's really relative, you know.
So he goes his merry way.

What do you think, Star of David 45. You think Dick is blood-bought, and heaven bound ?

peace.:flower:

 

[Dustin]

I think Dick is soon to be major motion picture.

 

[DHK]

ARE HOMOSEXUALS BORN HOMOSEXUALS?

Homosexuality is a sin. It is always a choice that one makes. No one is born a homosexual. There is no scientific proof to that end. All immorality is sin and is condemned in the Bible. Homosexuality is as much a choice and as much as a sin as is adultery, fornication, bestiality, and any other kind of immorality. It is wrong because the Bible condemns it. One is not born an adulterer. One is not born a fornicator. One is not born a homosexual. Those are decisions, sinful choices that one makes.

BOB IS A HOMOSEXUAL, HE ACCEPTS JESUS CHRIST AS HIS PERSONAL SAVIOR. NOW ACCORDING TO BAPTIST DOCTRINE HE IS SAVED? FOR EVER AND EVER A CHILD OF GOD THAT CANNOT FALL FROM GRACE, ONCE YOU ARE SAVED YOU ARE ALWAYS SAVED. WELL BOB GOES BACK TO HOMOSEXUAL STATUS.

What if Bob was a murderer? What he go back to his life as a hit man for hire? What if he was an adulterer? Would he go back to a life of having affairs behind the back of his wife? What if he was a thief? Would he continue a life of breaking into people's houses? When the Holy Spirit comes and indwells a person he changes Him. If there is no change it is doubtful that the person was never really saved in the first place. Homosexuality is just one sin out of many. I am interested why you focus on this sin to the exclusion of others.

WILL BOB REMAIN SAVED AND GO TO HEAVEN BEING BACK AS A HOMOSEXUAL?

What saves a person is his trust and faith in the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, not his reformation. It is regeneration not reformation. The Lord knows them that are His.

IF SO, PROVE IT BY THE BIBLE. SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE IN THE SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS A HOMOSEXUAL WILL BE GOING TO HEAVEN.

Again, why your interest in this one paticular sin to the exclusion of all others. The Bible says that: "Whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point he is guilty of all." In other words if you tell one lie you are just as guilty as the homosexual. You have sinned. Sin sends you to hell, not specific sins--any sin.
It also says: "Sin is a transgression of the law." Whenever you break God's law in any way you sin. Whether it be through speeding (a traffic ticket), or through gross immorality, it is still sin. One sin is as bad as another. Christ still had to die for them all. He paid the penalty for ALL sins.
The thief on the cross was a thief all his life. He went to heaven.

WELL GOD LOVES BOB YES HE DOES, BUT GOD HATES THE SIN. WHY DID GOD DESTROY SODOM AND GOMORRAH? WAS THERE HOMOSEXUALITY THERE?

Yes God destroyed those cities for their immorality. Read your Bible. See how many nations and/or cities God has destroyed for other reasons. Those were not the only cities destroyed. Jericho was destroyed. Ai was eventually destroyed. Bashan was destroyed. God destroyed the entire nation of the Canaanites. Agan, I ask you: Why are you focusing on homosexuality?

AWAIT ANSWERS.

So do I.
DHK

 

[pinoybaptist]

I think Dick is soon to be major motion picture.

yeah ? I hope Nicholas Cage gets the part. I kinda like the way he acts his roles.
Apologies and all due respects to the OP, we don't mean to hijack your thread.