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Acts 10 - Cornelius - Question

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LaGrange

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AustinC said:
*Romans 6:3-11*
Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.

*Galatians 2:20*
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

*Galatians 3:25-29*
But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

Note that the context of the baptism is not water, but is instead, baptism (immersion) into Christ.
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It’s Both. That’s how it’s done.
 
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LaGrange

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AustinC said:
The word baptizo means "to dip" or "to immerse." It was a common word and did not have to be water. Baptism often is speaking of the Christians immersion into Christ. Paul's verse in Galatians 2:20 gets at the idea when he says he has been crucified with Christ nevertheless he lives. The Spirit immersed us into Christ, never to be removed from that plunge. Our sinful soul was made pure by the immersion into Christ by the Holy Spirit. The water baptism of the local church is a baptism into covenant with God, not a saving baptism as your church so unfortunately teaches.
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LaGrange

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AustinC said:
The word baptizo means "to dip" or "to immerse." It was a common word and did not have to be water. Baptism often is speaking of the Christians immersion into Christ. Paul's verse in Galatians 2:20 gets at the idea when he says he has been crucified with Christ nevertheless he lives. The Spirit immersed us into Christ, never to be removed from that plunge. Our sinful soul was made pure by the immersion into Christ by the Holy Spirit. The water baptism of the local church is a baptism into covenant with God, not a saving baptism as your church so unfortunately teaches.
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Gal 2:20 - This is talking about Faith “after” justification.
 
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LaGrange

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unprofitable said:
Acts 5:14 And believers were the more added to the lord, multitudes BOTH OF MEN AND WOMEN.

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Phillip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN.

Sorry Lagrange, no mention of infants in the above verses.

You said many were saved through the faith of others. Can this be extended to my grandchildren, or double first cousins or is it immediate family only and if so why? Where do you draw the line?

John 14:6 Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me. This verse negates any form of proxy salvation. It does not say no man and his wife or no man and his child. Individual accountability cannot be eliminated.

John Gill gives a very good treatise concerning 1 Cor 7:14. His interpretation from other manuscripts says it deals with espousals and the legitimacy of those offspring. I would encourage you to read it.
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See Post #106

(St. Augustine is arguing against heretics) Now those very persons, who think it unjust that infants which depart this life without the grace of Christ should be deprived not only of the kingdom of God, into which they themselves admit that none but such as are regenerated through baptism can enter, but also of eternal life and salvation,—when they ask how it can be just that one man should be freed from original sin and another not, although the condition of both of them is the same, might answer their own question, in accordance with their own opinion of how it can be so frequently just and right that one should have baptism administered to him whereby to enter into the kingdom of God, and another not be so favoured, although the case of both is alike.….(Augustine, On the Merits and Forgiveness of Sins, Book 1, Ch 30, 412ad)

(talking about Pelagius) Let him clear himself on this point, since he refuses to acknowledge that there is anything in infants which the laver of regeneration has to cleanse. (Augustine, On the Grace of Christ, and on Original Sin, Book 2, Ch 21,
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the very sacraments, I say, of the holy Church show plainly enough that infants, even when fresh from the womb, are delivered from the bondage of the devil through the grace of Christ. For, to say nothing of the fact that they are baptized for the remission of sins by no fallacious, but by a true and faithful mystery, there is previously wrought on them the exorcism and the exsufflation of the hostile power, which they profess to renounce by the mouth of those who bring them to baptism. (Augustine, On the Grace of Christ, and on Original Sin Book 2, Ch 45, 418ad)
 
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LaGrange said:
My Comment: Eph 2:5 is Baptism. I’ve already covered this. The official KJV notes tie Eph 2:5 to Col 2:13 and Rom 6:4-5 which are classic verses on Baptism.
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please tell me how Ephesians 2:5 is about baptism?

it’s much more about the calling of God and the new birth
 
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LaGrange

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Marooncat79 said:
please tell me how Ephesians 2:5 is about baptism?

it’s much more about the calling of God and the new birth
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Rom 5:5 = Titus 3:6 = Baptism - I know you don’t see this one either.These are the only two times Paul uses the word “Pour” (see Strong’s #1632 Pour = Shed). Water came from Christ’s side. So he uses the word “Pour” in Romans 5 then talks about Baptism in Romans 6.
 
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