Acts 2.38 is to Israel not gentiles

[MB]

EVERYTHING in all of the GOSPELS and the entire Old Testament was originally spoken to Jews ... Jesus was surrounded by Jews. Unless you are of the "circumcision party" whose doctrine was denounced at the First Jerusalem Council, that is irrelevant and all of Scripture is for the people of God ... Jew and Greek ... for the ground at the foot of the cross is level and all men stand equal before our savior.

[Galatians 3:6-9 NASB]
Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, [saying,] "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

One promise of one salvation for one people ... those whom God "foreknew" ... "whosoever believes"!

Every man is the son of Abraham He fathered all the Nations. .
MB

 

[atpollard]

Every man is the son of Abraham He fathered all the Nations. .
MB

I believe you are thinking of Noah.

 

[atpollard]

[Galatians 3:6-9 NASB]
Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, [saying,] "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU." So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

"those who are of faith" (Jew or gentile):

• "are sons of Abraham"
• "are blessed with Abraham"
• are "the believer"

That describes Moses and Ruth and Joshua and David and Daniel and Peter and John and Paul and Timothy and Lydia ... and me (and probably you).

 

[Brightfame52]

mb

It's simple when Abraham was alive he never heard the gospel because there simply wasn't any such thing.

So how do you understand Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

 

[Yeshua1]

mb



So how do you understand Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Think that Abraham also saw Jesus day and was glad, per lord Jesus Himself!

 

[Brightfame52]

John 10 is addressed to the Jews.
Men are not saved before they can hear and believe.
We are given eternal life the moment we are saved
When Christ leaves the flock to bring back 1 sheep shows us that He loves us and will protect us. We Belong to Him. We are not sheep until we become His.. The lost sheep was already His but went astray.
The drawing in Jn 6:44 was over after Christ was raised up and draws all men to Him self Jn 12 :32
Notice in Jn 10:9 Christ says.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

He doesn't call this man a sheep although He can become a sheep just by entering through the door he will be saved
MB

Unscriptural teaching.

 

[Dave G]

It's simple when Abraham was alive he never heard the gospel because there simply wasn't any such thing.

What @Brightfame52 said:

"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed." ( Galatians 3:8 ).

EDIT: Apologies, I wrote this this morning, but left it in draft mode...decided to post it anyway.

The Jews were fore known not Gentiles.

MB, I'd like you too look at this carefully:

" For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." ( Romans 8:29-30 ).

According to the above, all that are foreknown take part in all the rest.
In other words, if the Gentile believers were not foreknown, then no Gentile would be:

A) Predestinated conformed to the image of Christ.
B) Called by the word of God and by His Spirit
C) Justified by the blood of Christ ( Romans 5:9 ), by His grace ( Romans 3:24 ), shown to be justified by their faith ( Romans 5:1 ) and shown to be justified by their works ( James 2:24 ).
D) Glorified with a new body at the second coming of Christ.

Basically, if no Gentiles were foreknown by God, then no Gentile would be saved.

 

[Dave G]

Every man is the son of Abraham He fathered all the Nations

I'm sorry sir, but I disagree.
Not every man is a son of Abraham, neither in the physical sense ( Jews ) or in the spiritual sense ( participants in the body of Christ by faith ):

" Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." ( Romans 9:6-8 ).

This is how I understand it:

6) They are not all Israel ( national Israel ) that are "of" Israel...
7) Neither, because they are the "seed" ( or physical offspring ) of Abraham, are they all God's children.
But "in Isaac" shall Abraham's "seed" ( remnant ) be called ( summoned ).
8) "That is, ( to clarify ), they which are the children of the flesh ( physical descendants ), these are not the children of God..." There it is.
Just because someone was a physical descendant of Abraham, does not automatically mean that they are God's child and that they are automatically saved.

Continuing on...
"But the children of the promise are counted for the seed."
What promise?

Please see Romans 4:13-18...the children of the promise are the ones who believe on Christ, by faith:

" Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all. " ( Romans 4:16 )

If Abraham were the father of all men, then all men would believe on Christ by faith.
The two go hand-in-hand.
But if he is instead the "father" of all them that believe on Christ, then he is the forerunner of all who would later come to believe on Christ as Saviour...
A "seed" ( just like Israel was left a seed, spiritually, in Romans 9:27-29 ) or remnant out of every tongue, tribe and nation ( Revelation 5:9, Revelation 7:9 ).

Please take a look at it again, if you're so inclined.

 

[MB]

Unscriptural teaching.

I see it this way we are either right or wrong. What I have said lines up with scripture. Your just making false claims because you have nothing else to offer. You know like a clanging symbol.
MB

 

[Brightfame52]

Every man is the son of Abraham He fathered all the Nations. .
MB

Every man doesnt have Faith like Abraham Gal 3:7

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

So you need to rethink your statement.

 

[Salty]

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[Brightfame52]

Why would you go to another verse unrelated, addressing Jews, pre crucifixion ? This is terrible bible study .
John 12 .32

Its not unrelated.

 

[Brightfame52]

He hadn't died then .

So, He had died as far as Gods Purpose was concerned Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Isaiah
prophesied centuries before He died this Isa 53:5

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

He uses the past tense.

 

[Brightfame52]

Why would you go to another verse unrelated, addressing Jews, pre crucifixion ? This is terrible bible study .
John 12 .32

Its not unrelated, its the same book, just two chapters back. So John 12 32 is about the Sheep He specifically stated in John 10 duh

 

[Scarlett O.]

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