ADD/ADHD: Disease or Croc?

[gekko]

hey hey. been awhile since i posted anything.

i got my own view on this - it's quite short n' all. i'll tell it to ya later. first i got three links. i still have to read these things over. but i have an idea of what they say just by reading the first few paragraphs. sure it's a biased paper. friend of mine sent it to me.

anyways. have a run at it. see what ya think. and maybe post a little.
(i dont get many replies to my topics for some reason... they too blunt or what?)

yeah - well to spice things up maybe. here's part of what i think without the explanation... yet.

i think it's both.

God bless,
peace out.

 

[Claudia_T]

I read something about that but I dont remember what it said now.

 

[rbell]

It's greatly overdigangosed, IMO, and here are some factors (different factors for different kids...and in no particular order):
1. Bad parenting/lack of consistent, relationship-based, loving discipline.
2. The difference in boys and girls. Boys are rowdier, and the overwhelming number of ADHD "cases" are young males.
3. Overstimulization...an MD friend of mine believes that our brains, through media today, learn to process images faster than what is healthy...and they do it a lot. The rise in ADHD cases does mirror the increase in media exposure (TV, web, gaming, etc.) to children (and adults too).
4. Poor nutrition...not enough good stuff (veggies, vitamins) and too much bad stuff (processed food, sugar, caffeine).
5. (esp. boys) The lack of a consistent male figure in the home.
6. Laziness in our education system. It's easier to drug them than discipline them...not to mention the lack of home support in many cases. They also don't take into account in some instances differing learning styles (I'm seeing some progress here at least on the local level).
7. Overexposure of the crisis by professionals with a vested interest (psychiatrists, pharmaceutical companies, professional educators, etc.)

Now...having said that, I do believe that this can exist. I have met kids with such an amazing inability to focus that it was crippling. But I believe that psychotropic meds should be the last resort after rest, nutrition, discipline (if needed), curtailment of overstimuli (greatly reduce media time) exercise, and creative teaching methods (not all folks learn the same way) have been explored.

But that number left would be a fraction of what it is now.

 

[Rufus_1611]

It's greatly overdigangosed, IMO, and here are some factors (different factors for different kids...and in no particular order):
1. Bad parenting/lack of consistent, relationship-based, loving discipline.
2. The difference in boys and girls. Boys are rowdier, and the overwhelming number of ADHD "cases" are young males.
3. Overstimulization...an MD friend of mine believes that our brains, through media today, learn to process images faster than what is healthy...and they do it a lot. The rise in ADHD cases does mirror the increase in media exposure (TV, web, gaming, etc.) to children (and adults too).
4. Poor nutrition...not enough good stuff (veggies, vitamins) and too much bad stuff (processed food, sugar, caffeine).
5. (esp. boys) The lack of a consistent male figure in the home.
6. Laziness in our education system. It's easier to drug them than discipline them...not to mention the lack of home support in many cases. They also don't take into account in some instances differing learning styles (I'm seeing some progress here at least on the local level).
7. Overexposure of the crisis by professionals with a vested interest (psychiatrists, pharmaceutical companies, professional educators, etc.)

Now...having said that, I do believe that this can exist. I have met kids with such an amazing inability to focus that it was crippling. But I believe that psychotropic meds should be the last resort after rest, nutrition, discipline (if needed), curtailment of overstimuli (greatly reduce media time) exercise, and creative teaching methods (not all folks learn the same way) have been explored.

But that number left would be a fraction of what it is now.

Outstanding post!

 

[gekko]

i agree with ya rbell.

i said i was going to give some links... but i forgot to put the link in my first post... so here it is... it's the first three on the page.

"The Christian Home and ADHD part 1-3"
https://www.nanc.org/page.asp?contentid=46&sub=7#articles

 

[tragic_pizza]

I'm waiting for someone with professional knowledge on this subject to post. Until then this thread is hooey.

 

[Claudia_T]

television and bad nutrition/sugar etc has lots to do with it.

when I was a kid I actually had to go outside and sit down and think for a bit...

 

[gekko]

I'm waiting for someone with professional knowledge on this subject to post. Until then this thread is hooey

since you seem all smart n' that callin this all 'hooey' - why don't you get your head up in here and say a little. then maybe the smarter guy might come on in and say what needs to be said.

or just explain yourself in callin it all 'hooey'

peace

 

[tragic_pizza]

since you seem all smart n' that callin this all 'hooey' - why don't you get your head up in here and say a little. then maybe the smarter guy might come on in and say what needs to be said.

or just explain yourself in callin it all 'hooey'

peace

Simple. Until someone, that is, someone with professional knowledge about and experience in the identification and treatment of ADD/ADHD, offers insight, then all of the posts are (a) opinion, and/or (b) things posters culled from the internet (and we know we can aaaalways beleive things we read on the Interwebs, right?)

At best, then, this is a waste of time. Nothing wrong with that, that's what Internet discussion boards are for. At worst, it will turn into another "there ain't no such thing as mental illness" argument thread, causing more harm than good.

So: hooey.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I'm waiting for someone with professional knowledge on this subject to post. Until then this thread is hooey.

I worked in a lock-up for juvinile delinquents for nine years. And I've never heard a better assessment than RBELL's.

 

[rbell]

Simple. Until someone, that is, someone with professional knowledge about and experience in the identification and treatment of ADD/ADHD, offers insight, then all of the posts are (a) opinion, and/or (b) things posters culled from the internet (and we know we can aaaalways beleive things we read on the Interwebs, right?)

At best, then, this is a waste of time. Nothing wrong with that, that's what Internet discussion boards are for. At worst, it will turn into another "there ain't no such thing as mental illness" argument thread, causing more harm than good.

So: hooey.

Since this is an internet discussion board, why don't you engage my points as presented?

No one has said, "There ain't no such thing as mental illness" on this thread...are you trying to instigate it?

Up to this point the discussion has been civil and IMO worth having. Are you going to contribute, or disparage posters?

Now...engage my post point-by-point and offer your comments. Don't ever assume you're talking with someone without professional knowledge.

Some of us read medical journals in our spare time, and observe procedures to learn.

Some of us have degrees in psychology, and are qualified to administer several psychometric batteries including Myers-Briggs, MMPI, CPI, DISC, and others.

Some of us have more medical training than you might think.

Now...back to the discussion...

 

[Rufus_1611]

Simple. Until someone, that is, someone with professional knowledge about and experience in the identification and treatment of ADD/ADHD, offers insight, then all of the posts are (a) opinion, and/or (b) things posters culled from the internet (and we know we can aaaalways beleive things we read on the Interwebs, right?)

At best, then, this is a waste of time. Nothing wrong with that, that's what Internet discussion boards are for. At worst, it will turn into another "there ain't no such thing as mental illness" argument thread, causing more harm than good.

So: hooey.

It's the professionals that have got us into this mess. I'll accept the views of one man who has a Biblical worldview over the views of 100 worldly, secular professionals.

btw...
Use of the word "hooey" =
Use of W's "interwebs" = :thumbs:

 

[gekko]

Simple. Until someone, that is, someone with professional knowledge about and experience in the identification and treatment of ADD/ADHD, offers insight, then all of the posts are (a) opinion, and/or (b) things posters culled from the internet (and we know we can aaaalways beleive things we read on the Interwebs, right?)

At best, then, this is a waste of time. Nothing wrong with that, that's what Internet discussion boards are for. At worst, it will turn into another "there ain't no such thing as mental illness" argument thread, causing more harm than good.

So: hooey.

alright smart guy.
why's it need to be someone trained in this area?

what about going to scripture?

i'm going to come out blunt and say this about ADD/ADHD. you can take this as opinion or somethin i got out the cracker-jack box. that's your problem.

but here's what i got to say ==> ADD/ADHD can be a disease. it can also be caused by spiritual warfare. it goes both ways. but WHY do we need to go to some flippin specialist for it? doesn' GOD HEAL PEOPLE??

i don't give a care to what specialists say about the disease - i don't care when they deem it to be a disease or not.

God heals. heck i was labelled as ADD... i ain't ADD anymore. wanna know the reason why? do ya? GOD IS THE REASON.

why go to a specialist? doesn't God heal these days? doesn't prayer work anymore?
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was that too untrained for your eyes and ears there tragic? or is all this prayer and spiritual stuff just plain 'hooey' in the end anyways?

Now...back to the discussion...

i agree - and sorry for my rant above. it was needed. since it's all the knowledge i got and need on the subject. the rest is 'hooey' to me unless otherwise proved.

peace.

 

[tragic_pizza]

I worked in a lock-up for juvinile delinquents for nine years. And I've never heard a better assessment than RBELL's.

Oh, I've got a few years' experience with therapeuic group home care, and I agree.

I simply think that, when it comes to opining about illnesses that some folks who read this board may suffer from, a little restraint and professional opinion is a good idea.

But I've really enjoyed being flamed for saying so, folks. As usual, Br. Curtis (while we don't agree on almost everything) is the one who "gets it."

 

[tragic_pizza]

Since this is an internet discussion board, why don't you engage my points as presented?

No one has said, "There ain't no such thing as mental illness" on this thread...are you trying to instigate it?

Up to this point the discussion has been civil and IMO worth having. Are you going to contribute, or disparage posters?

Now...engage my post point-by-point and offer your comments. Don't ever assume you're talking with someone without professional knowledge.

Some of us read medical journals in our spare time, and observe procedures to learn.

Some of us have degrees in psychology, and are qualified to administer several psychometric batteries including Myers-Briggs, MMPI, CPI, DISC, and others.

Some of us have more medical training than you might think.

Now...back to the discussion...

Some of us are incredibly touchy, and need to get over themselves.

Have a nice day.

 

[rbell]

Some of us are incredibly touchy, and need to get over themselves.

Have a nice day.

Not touchy a bit. I have many other things that might bother me. The BB doesn't. I think it's a hoot.

I offered a detailed, medically-informed, thought-out evaluation that did not disparage sufferers of ADHD (did you read my post). I'm inviting discussion, not a condescending remark like "show some restraint" or "get over yourself."

Let's discuss the topic at hand. If you don't like it, there's lots of other threads...like...

What happens to a KJVO Catholic cat that commits suicide while drunk, wearing pants? Is she predestined for hell, and is it Bush or Clinton's fault she is there? What would Calvin Do?

 

[tragic_pizza]

Not touchy a bit. I have many other things that might bother me. The BB doesn't. I think it's a hoot.

I offered a detailed, medically-informed, thought-out evaluation that did not disparage sufferers of ADHD (did you read my post). I'm inviting discussion, not a condescending remark like "show some restraint" or "get over yourself."

No representation was made that your opinion was other than just that. Opinions from (unless otherwise noted) untrained persons are dangerous.

That said, my apologies.

Let's discuss the topic at hand. If you don't like it, there's lots of other threads...like...

What happens to a KJVO Catholic cat that commits suicide while drunk, wearing pants? Is she predestined for hell, and is it Bush or Clinton's fault she is there? What would Calvin Do?

Yes, definitely.

:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Rufus_1611]

What happens to a KJVO Catholic cat that commits suicide while drunk, wearing pants? Is she predestined for hell, and is it Bush or Clinton's fault she is there? What would Calvin Do?

Sounds like a great idea for a new thread.

 

[rbell]

Thank you TP.

 

[rbell]

Sounds like a great idea for a new thread.

Only problem is, there's no sense in starting the discussion. Everybody but me would be wrong.:saint: :tongue3: