Adoption by same gender

[Salty]

I posted a meme on FB - with two pictures - the first had 2 Nazis saying it was okay to kill Jews since they are not people. The second show 2 ladies (one that was pregnant) with one saying that abortion is okay since the unborn is not a person.

A person posted that more kids should be adopted. (which I agree with)

I then posted how in NY State it will be harder for Catholics to adopt due to a recent court ruling.
A homosexual couple went to Catholic Charities to adopt. They were refused as they were a same-gender couple. They went to court and the court rule that Catholic Charities cannot discriminate based on gender.

Then another person posted the following: Note- this is the full quote

"Yes harder because the ignorant Catholic Church (and I'm a Catholic raised in NY State) decided to keep the myth alive of how same sex couples are a sin when for hundreds of years the Aramaic, Hebrew, Latin and Greek words for moral same sex loving couples got mistranslated as homosexual prostitution or violent rape which was immoral. Can't fight ignorance for people who want to continue to blanket all same sex loving relationships as wrong. Can't stop stupid at this time. Like Eskimo's who have 50 words for snow. Same sex relationships "had" different category's some are acceptable while others are cruel and wrong just like heterosexual relationships. No difference, as 12 year old girls marrying 60 year old men in some countries is also abuse."

Now, since I am not a Greek scholar - can someone give me some 4-1-1 on this.

Thanks.

Salty

 

[JonShaff]

I don't need to be a Greek scholar to understand what our Lord Jesus said...

Matthew 19
4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Paul said...

Ephesians 5
31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”

While i know this does not answer the OP specifically, it is enough evidence for me in that the Supreme Creator and Lord over all directly addresses this issue.

 

[Salty]

I don't need to be a Greek scholar to understand

Lets take the word love - there are at least 3 different translations - Agape, eros, philos - granted in some cases context would indicate the proper Greek word to use.

While i know this does not answer the OP specifically, it is enough evidence for me in that the Supreme Creator and Lord over all directly addresses this issue.

Yes, it may be enough for you - but how do we convince the poster ?

 

[JonShaff]

Yes, it may be enough for you - but how do we convince the poster ?

Technically speaking, we do not need to convince the poster--we can present the truth and she has to respond to that truth honestly. The Holy Spirit will convince her if she is truly open to understand. If she is an unbeliever, her mind and will is opposed to whatever she does not like, regardless what Scripture says. She needs to be born-again.

To be honest, i've read much on the subject and i've NEVER came across anything that she talks about. I'd ask her to quote her sources.

 

[Salty]

Thanks Jon

 

[JonShaff]

Thanks Jon

You're welcome--I hope that gave some insight. it looks like you may have edited your post after i started typing. You make a great reference with the word "love", however, that only benefits those who are willing to submit to the truth. Most people, including Christians, will only seek to justify there conclusion instead of allowing God's Truth to change their mind.

 

[Salty]

You're welcome--I hope that gave some insight. it looks like you may have edited your post after i started typing. You make a great reference with the word "love",...

You are correct -I did make that edit after I initially posted.

 

[canadyjd]

Catholic Charities is referred to as an "agency" in the reports that received state funds for its adoption services.

Once you allow the government into your "ministry" by taking taxpayer money, you are under their control. You have to follow the secular rules, not the religious guidelines.

As sad as it is, I think it just gets worse from here.

 

[Salty]

Catholic Charities is referred to as an "agency" in the reports that received state funds for its adoption services.

Once you allow the government into your "ministry" by taking taxpayer money, you are under their control. You have to follow the secular rules, not the religious guidelines.

Actually, I dont think accepting $$ from the State has anything to do with this decision. It appears that it was a court decision- based on discrimination laws.

 

[canadyjd]

Ok. The question remains, "do anti-discrimination laws apply to a church? A church affiliated ministry? A religious agency that accepts money from the state?" The last entity appears to apply.

 

[terrpn]

I posted a meme on FB - with two pictures - the first had 2 Nazis saying it was okay to kill Jews since they are not people. The second show 2 ladies (one that was pregnant) with one saying that abortion is okay since the unborn is not a person.

A person posted that more kids should be adopted. (which I agree with)

I then posted how in NY State it will be harder for Catholics to adopt due to a recent court ruling.
A homosexual couple went to Catholic Charities to adopt. They were refused as they were a same-gender couple. They went to court and the court rule that Catholic Charities cannot discriminate based on gender.

Then another person posted the following: Note- this is the full quote

"Yes harder because the ignorant Catholic Church (and I'm a Catholic raised in NY State) decided to keep the myth alive of how same sex couples are a sin when for hundreds of years the Aramaic, Hebrew, Latin and Greek words for moral same sex loving couples got mistranslated as homosexual prostitution or violent rape which was immoral. Can't fight ignorance for people who want to continue to blanket all same sex loving relationships as wrong. Can't stop stupid at this time. Like Eskimo's who have 50 words for snow. Same sex relationships "had" different category's some are acceptable while others are cruel and wrong just like heterosexual relationships. No difference, as 12 year old girls marrying 60 year old men in some countries is also abuse."

Now, since I am not a Greek scholar - can someone give me some 4-1-1 on this.

Thanks.

Salty

Cannot find same sex couple adoption acceptable anywhere in scripture.

Marriage is between man-woman, husband-wife.

Just bc one male is the tail gunner as the wife and the female butch is the husband is just disgraceful and and the Lord is no where near that confusion.

Just Satan continuing to attack Biblical marriage and the god of this world using positive thinking to counterfeit the world using children as the pawns.


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[John of Japan]

Lets take the word love - there are at least 3 different translations - Agape, eros, philos - granted in some cases context would indicate the proper Greek word to use.

I think you mean there are four different Greek words for love: agape (in the Bible, love by choice), eros (romantic love; not in the NT), philos (the love of friendship), and storge (natural love, as in a family; only in the NT as a compound, "brotherly love").

Concerning your opponent in the argument, it's kind of hard to know what they mean. It sounds like something they just heard somewhere and are parroting.

The answer, IMO, is that in the relevant passages, even if you translate as a "loving couple" regardless of orientation, all references to homosexuality in the Bible (OT & NT) are negative. In other words, there is no way to make it positive in the Bible, even if you change the rendering of individual words. It is portrayed as an "abomination" (Lev. 18:22 & 20:13), and sinful. They will not inherit the Kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:9) and are listed with pimps, slavers and liars (1 Tim. 1:10). Rom. 1:26-27 is equally negative. So all the Bible passages about homosexuality are without fail negative.

The word "effeminate" in Cor. simply means "soft" as it is used in Matthew and Luke, where it is used for "soft clothing." However, in classical Greek it was used as a euphemism to refer to male prostitutes.

The word your opponent is probably referencing is arsenokoites in both NT verses as "abusers of themselves with mankind." What defeats your opponent linguistically is that this word has to mean homosexual, but says nothing about a relationship, marital or otherwise. It is simply descriptive. There is a different word for lesbian in Rom. 1:26.)

So, those who wish to portray homosexuality as being positive in the Bible have no options but to deny the clear teaching of the Bible, which always has the practice as negative. It is twisting Scripture to do anything else.

P. S. I just noticed that this thread was from the end of August. Oh, well, I tried.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Most people, including Christians, will only seek to justify there conclusion instead of allowing God's Truth to change their mind.

Heb 12:5 KJV - And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:8 KJV - But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't need to be a Greek scholar to understand what our Lord Jesus said...

Matthew 19
4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Paul said...

Ephesians 5
31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”

While i know this does not answer the OP specifically, it is enough evidence for me in that the Supreme Creator and Lord over all directly addresses this issue.

God would not see the 2 guys as being in a legit marriage, so they would not any right to adopt and make a family unit.

 

[Salty]

God would not see the 2 guys as being in a legit marriage, so they would not any right to adopt and make a family unit.

But the govt does not come under the Bible -

 

[JonShaff]

But the govt does not come under the Bible -

I was thinking he was addressing your OP that concerned itself with how a lady interpreted Scripture.