After miscarriage, woman is convicted of manslaughter. The 'fetus was not viable,' advocates say

[FollowTheWay]

This article originally appeared on USA TODAY: After miscarriage, woman is convicted of manslaughter. The 'fetus was not viable,' advocates say

Poolaw was between 15 and 17 weeks pregnant when she suffered a miscarriage on January 4, 2020, according to the medical examiners report viewed by USA TODAY.

The report said the miscarriage could have happened due to genetic anomaly or placenta abruption.

 

[Benjamin]

About time that women are held responsible for the life that is in them.

BTW, "The 'fetus was not viable' is a half truth, her drug use caused it.

 

[canadyjd]

This article originally appeared on USA TODAY: After miscarriage, woman is convicted of manslaughter. The 'fetus was not viable,' advocates say

Poolaw was between 15 and 17 weeks pregnant when she suffered a miscarriage on January 4, 2020, according to the medical examiners report viewed by USA TODAY.

The report said the miscarriage could have happened due to genetic anomaly or placenta abruption.

She was a Meth addict. Very sad for everyone.

It appears she was charged according to the laws passed by the people’s representatives.

Hopefully, she will get help in prison for her addiction, and, of course, we hope she comes to Christ in faith and has a transformed life.

Peace to you

 

[FollowTheWay]

She was a Meth addict. Very sad for everyone.

It appears she was charged according to the laws passed by the people’s representatives.

Hopefully, she will get help in prison for her addiction, and, of course, we hope she comes to Christ in faith and has a transformed life.

Peace to you

So you think a law that sends a woman to prison for having a miscarriage id fair and just?

 

[canadyjd]

So you think a law that sends a woman to prison for having a miscarriage id fair and just?

A law that holds a woman responsible for killing her unborn baby by smoking meth is what the people wanted.

If you don’t like the law, move there and try to get it repealed.

peace to you

 

[FollowTheWay]

A law that holds a woman responsible for killing her unborn baby by smoking meth is what the people wanted.

If you don’t like the law, move there and try to get it repealed.

peace to you

Making up information to support your politics is not a Christian thing to do. Good luck with your religion.
Oklahoma woman convicted of manslaughter after miscarriage (usatoday.com)

The report said the miscarriage could have happened due to genetic anomaly or placenta abruption.
They did note there was evidence of Poolaw using methamphetamine as it was found in the baby's liver
and brain, but the medical examiner did not assign a cause of death.

 

[canadyjd]

Making up information to support your politics is not a Christian thing to do. Good luck with your religion.
Oklahoma woman convicted of manslaughter after miscarriage (usatoday.com)

The report said the miscarriage could have happened due to genetic anomaly or placenta abruption.
They did note there was evidence of Poolaw using methamphetamine as it was found in the baby's liver
and brain, but the medical examiner did not assign a cause of death.

Speaking of making things up, She wasn’t criminally charged with having a miscarriage. She was charged with manslaughter.

Let’s not attack someone’s faith because you disagree with politics.

All done I think. Thanks for the conversation.

peace to you

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Miscarriages happen for many reasons. There is some proof that the baby was exposed to methamphetamine, but we have no proof how and why that happened. There are way way way too many assumptions here.

Women are people, not hosts. The lives of women are at least as important as the lives that grow inside them. A woman should not lose her basic human rights, because she is hosting another life.

Never mind the gray areas and issues concerning right-to-life, this woman was charged with manslaughter, but the legal precedents for manslaughter cases were not followed.

 

[canadyjd]

Miscarriages happen for many reasons. There is some proof that the baby was exposed to methamphetamine…

….Never mind the gray areas and issues concerning right-to-life, this woman was charged with manslaughter, but the legal precedents for manslaughter cases were not followed.

The jury disagreed. If the “legal precedents” weren’t followed, maybe she will win on appeal.

peace to you

 

[kathleenmariekg]

The jury disagreed. If the “legal precedents” weren’t followed, maybe she will win on appeal.

peace to you

The courts have rules. There are textbook rules that were clearly broken here, that we all study in freshman Law 101 classes if our college majors require the course. The main issue here is not about whether the fetus was viable or not. Yes, her defense is bound to fight a charge from every angle and required to include that, but I am focused on the basic charge of manslaughter. In courts, "legal precedents" are everything. Precedents that are so foundational that youtube has lego reenactments of them.

This woman appears to be very low-income. Low-income people usually cannot afford appeals no matter how unjust the original sentence. The lucky people get the charge removed AFTER serving the sentence and being released. These charges follow a person and disqualify them from housing and food assistance, and social workers later on get them a lawyer as a way to get them housed.

Getting pregnant should not be as dangerous as it is. There are so many dangers faced by pregnant women. Our maternal mortality rates keep rising, homicide rates remain steady, and then to add to all that, lets revert to Henry the VIII type practices of punishing women who don't bring healthy male heirs to term.

Yes, "legal precedents" matter!

 

[canadyjd]

The courts have rules. There are textbook rules that were clearly broken here, that we all study in freshman Law 101 classes if our college majors require the course. The main issue here is not about whether the fetus was viable or not. Yes, her defense is bound to fight a charge from every angle and required to include that, but I am focused on the basic charge of manslaughter. In courts, "legal precedents" are everything. Precedents that are so foundational that youtube has lego reenactments of them.

This woman appears to be very low-income. Low-income people usually cannot afford appeals no matter how unjust the original sentence. The lucky people get the charge removed AFTER serving the sentence and being released. These charges follow a person and disqualify them from housing and food assistance, and social workers later on get them a lawyer as a way to get them housed.

Getting pregnant should not be as dangerous as it is. There are so many dangers faced by pregnant women. Our maternal mortality rates keep rising, homicide rates remain steady, and then to add to all that, lets revert to Henry the VIII type practices of punishing women who don't bring healthy male heirs to term.

Yes, "legal precedents" matter!

Please name the “textbook rules” that were violated in this case?

What “precedents” were ignored?

Peace to you

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Do you really want to start discussing specific court cases? I am out of practice, and don't know what I have access to personally, and what is public access.

It would be a LOT of work for me to research this case as if I were filing an appeal. I have no desire to do that for nothing more than to debate with you.

I truly care what happens to babies: BORN and unborn. And I also truly care what happens to women: pregnant and not pregnant. I care about people: ALL people. The way to save more unborn children is start taking better care of the women and children already here.

 

[canadyjd]

Do you really want to start discussing specific court cases? I am out of practice, and don't know what I have access to personally, and what is public access.

It would be a LOT of work for me to research this case as if I were filing an appeal. I have no desire to do that for nothing more than to debate with you.

I truly care what happens to babies: BORN and unborn. And I also truly care what happens to women: pregnant and not pregnant. I care about people: ALL people. The way to save more unborn children is start taking better care of the women and children already here.

Well, you made specific statements about rules being violated and precedents being ignored, so I figured you must have done the research already.

So, the bottom line is you don’t know if he prosecutors, judge, jury, did anything inappropriate in this case, correct?

I truly care about people as well. I truly hope this woman seeks professional help for her meth addiction while she is in prison,

peace to you

 

[FollowTheWay]

Speaking of making things up, She wasn’t criminally charged with having a miscarriage. She was charged with manslaughter.

Let’s not attack someone’s faith because you disagree with politics.

All done I think. Thanks for the conversation.

peace to you

So you think someone who had a miscarriage should be charged with manslaughter? Bizzare.

 

[FollowTheWay]

About time that women are held responsible for the life that is in them.

BTW, "The 'fetus was not viable' is a half truth, her drug use caused it.

You know that because?????

Poolaw was between 15 and 17 weeks pregnant when she suffered a miscarriage on January 4, 2020, according to the medical examiners report viewed by USA TODAY.
The report said the miscarriage could have happened due to genetic anomaly or placenta abruption.

 

[canadyjd]

So you think someone who had a miscarriage should be charged with manslaughter? Bizzare.

Again, she wasn’t charged with having a miscarriage. She was charged with causing the death of her baby because of meth use.

Luckily, USA Today isn’t the final word on the facts of the case.

I think the law was followed, she was charged and a jury found her guilty. If anything wasn’t done properly, she should win on appeal.

Hopefully, she will get her meth addiction under control while she is in prison.

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

So you think a law that sends a woman to prison for having a miscarriage id fair and just?

Yep. In this case it is.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

So you think someone who had a miscarriage should be charged with manslaughter? Bizzare.

Nice spin, but let’s keep it real. Someone who causes a miscarriage is guilty of homicide. That someone causes the miscarriage of their own baby does not change that fact—it’s still homicide.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Nice spin, but let’s keep it real. Someone who causes a miscarriage is guilty of homicide. That someone causes the miscarriage of their own baby does not change that fact—it’s still homicide.

There's no evidence that she caused the miscarriage.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

There's no evidence that she caused the miscarriage.

Doesn't matter here. Your post was an intentional twist to falsely accuse. No one said merely having a miscarriage should lead to a manslaughter charge. This case is about causing a miscarriage.

You could apologize for it, but perhaps it would be better if everyone took whatever you say and twisted it to similarly falsely accuse you—you know, follow your way. So, lead on.