Age of accountability and abortion

[Helen]

Craig, you can disagree with God when He says His ways and thoughts are higher than ours, but I won't. This does not say He does not and cannot use our logic to communicate with us, but it does say that we cannot attempt to understand Him using our logic.

Major B -- are you organized or what???

My only point I would want to add is that in Romans 10:18 Paul specifically states that all have heard the Gospel. Please reference the current thread in the Discussions section of whether those of other faiths can be saved. It has come down to an argument on whether all have heard the gospel or not.

 

[Craigbythesea]

Helen wrote,

Craig, you can disagree with God when He says His ways and thoughts are higher than ours, but I won't. This does not say He does not and cannot use our logic to communicate with us, but it does say that we cannot attempt to understand Him using our logic.

The Bible says,

Isa. 55:6. Seek the LORD while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near.
7. Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.
8. "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD.
9. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.
10. "For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, And do not return there without watering the earth And making it bear and sprout, And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
11. So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
12. "For you will go out with joy And be led forth with peace; The mountains and the hills will break forth into shouts of joy before you, And all the trees of the field will clap their hands.
13. "Instead of the thorn bush the cypress will come up, And instead of the nettle the myrtle will come up, And it will be a memorial to the LORD, For an everlasting sign which will not be cut off."

(NASB, 1995)

Helen, I believe what the Bible says rather than what you say. Nowhere in the Bible does it say or even remotely suggest that the logic that Jesus used was in any way or at any time different than the logic that I used, and the form of logic that He did use in John 10 is identical to the form of logic that I have been using in this thread. And, using that very same logic, we have this:

Helen’s premise: God’s logic is different than man’s logic

Fact: Jesus’ logic was identical to man’s logic

Conclusion: Jesus is not God.

You had better pray that the Watch Tower Society is not reading your posts, because if they are, you may find them quoting your posts in the next edition of Watch Tower Magazine to prove that Baptists no longer believe that Jesus is God!

 

[Aaron]

Originally posted by Helen:
See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven...Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.
Matthew 18:10, 19:14

To such as theses, not to them. The kingdom of heaven does not belong to children, but to anyone who becomes as a little child.

So, was Jesus saying we must become as little children in understanding, so that we are no longer accountable to Him and enjoy a defacto standing, or was he saying that we must become as little children in faith?

Well, faith of course. If anyone is saved, it is by grace through faith.

Don't be preaching another gospel. No one is saved by grace through ignorance.

 

[Helen]

I think both of you have distorted enough of what I have said and presented here that I don't need to go any further. This thread presents what needs to be presented and the reader can discern for him or herself.

 

[Craigbythesea]

Originally posted by Helen:
I think both of you have distorted enough of what I have said and presented here that I don't need to go any further. This thread presents what needs to be presented and the reader can discern for him or herself.

We did not distort one word of what you posted. We simply compared what you said with what the Bible says, and we saw that you were distorting what the Bible says.

But you did distort what I posted. I showed that when simple logic is applied to your theology, the logical conclusion is that we SHOULD abort our babies and kill our children. You posted that my theology was very “scary,” but when the same simple logic is applied to my theology, the logical conclusion is that we should NOT abort our babies and kill our children. Therefore, the logical conclusion of YOUR theology is scary, but that is no reflection upon my theology.

You posted falsely that man’s logic is different that God’s logic, and I showed how in John 10 Jesus used precisely the same form of logic that I and other men use. I then showed that the logical conclusion of what you posted was that Jesus is not God because He did not use a different logic than man.

Helen, your words do not have to be distorted to prove that your theology is distorted, and we have proven in this thread that it is distorted, and that the logical conclusions that are drawn from your theology make God to be the God of the ridiculous and the absurd.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by APuritanMindset:
I am not asking this question to cause issues, but here is another delimma we as Christians run into if the age of accountability is true. If it is true that a child that dies in infancy goes to heaven, why are we against abortion? Yes, I agree that abortion is murder, but why are we against this form of murder? Wouldn't the good outweigh the bad in this situation?

I don't know about you but I am against murder because Scripture forbids it.

 

[Paul33]

Major B,

Good post.

Craig and Helen,

Craig makes some good points. The Apostle Paul said that he was willing to be lost if that could somehow save his people.

I could see a parent willing to murder his children, knowing that this was wrong, in order to "save" his children who had not reached the age of accountability. A parent who loved his kids so much that he would be willing to go to hell for them if it would guarantee their salvation.

The age of accountability does not have Scriptural support. The best that we can say is that some children who died as infants appear to be with God (David's son), some children are regenerated as infants, and some children appear to be lost as infants (1 Cor. 7:14).

 

[Helen]

Originally posted by OldRegular:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by APuritanMindset:
I am not asking this question to cause issues, but here is another delimma we as Christians run into if the age of accountability is true. If it is true that a child that dies in infancy goes to heaven, why are we against abortion? Yes, I agree that abortion is murder, but why are we against this form of murder? Wouldn't the good outweigh the bad in this situation?

I don't know about you but I am against murder because Scripture forbids it. </font>[/QUOTE]Abortion also is a direct insult to God, telling Him He doesn't know what's best. Using man's 'logic' to insult God is not something I want to be a part of on this thread or any other.

 

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by APuritanMindset:
I am not asking this question to cause issues, but here is another delimma we as Christians run into if the age of accountability is true. If it is true that a child that dies in infancy goes to heaven, why are we against abortion? Yes, I agree that abortion is murder, but why are we against this form of murder? Wouldn't the good outweigh the bad in this situation?

Because God is sovereign over conception, (Genesis 16:2, 20:17-18, 21:2; Ruth 4:13) He made us not we ourselves:

(Psa 100:3) Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.

And there is nothing better for the estate of a man that he rejoice in his own works; he has one breath, once to live and once to die; and WHO shall bring him to see what shall be after him? It’s not another man’s choice.

(Ecc 3:18) I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

(Ecc 3:19) For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

(Ecc 3:20) All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

(Ecc 3:21) Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

(Ecc 3:22) Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?