Alcoholic beverages in Heaven

Not only will there be no marriage in heaven there will be no babies born in heaven. No one in heaven ever dies, so there is no reason for replacements. That is why it is essential to evangelize (harvest) as many souls for heaven as possible.

Let's assume that ALL the people who ever lived and will live on this earth go to the NEW JERUSALEM that comes down to the NEW EARTH. Each person would have a heavenly space of approximately 1/3 of a cubic mile or 49,065,984,000 cubic feet of space to call home.

 

Space.... the final frontier.........

 

38 posts and counting.

We had 2 Guernseys when we had a farm in Maineummy and her daughter Buttercup.

They gave 1/2 and 1/2.

No wine though.

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So how is Christ going to drink of the fruit of the vine? Doesn't crushing a grape into juice "kill" it? What's on the menu at the marriage supper of the lamb? Logic, what a terrible thing to waste....

 

I do like seedless grapes though. But not grape-juice. Maybe a cup of coffee or tea?,

Praise God, the fountain of living waters shall be there.

Bro. Dallas

 

God is Spirit! Does spirit eat or drink? There will be no planting or harvesting in heaven for both of those are work and we are told that we will enter into rest in the arms of Jesus! We are also told that our only work then will be the Worshipping and praising of God!

But, that seems incongruous to me because we were made for work, which satisfies the soul. Without work we soon become bored and enter into mischief.

Idle hands are the devil's tools! etc.

 

"Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit." John 12.24

There is no death in heaven. And in fact death only exists for believers because of the wages of sin our flesh is still subj. to.

But apart from the death, and quickening of the vine, (Christ John 15), there would be no branches (churches), nor fruit (individuals having received salvation).

All this is the result of the dying process.

Though a grape must die to be "processed" into either juice or wine, I too must have died to have been born of the vine.

A grape, a raisin, juice, wine, still products of the vine, and thus the fruit of the vine, from which death in the natural occurred in order that quickening in the spiritual can occur.

Often today we attempt to bring forth the fruits, apart from the death. Death is such an ugly word to us, even though we are delivered from it, we find many who dread it.

Is it because we perceive material comforts may be absent in Heaven? I don't know.

God Bless.

Bro. Dallas
Glasgow, KY.

 

Christ ascended into heaven after the bodily resurrection.

We shall be as he is. When He appeared to the apostles he did eat and drink.

Bro. Dallas

 

Yelsew,
Here is another thought for you. In John 17 we find that Jesus defines eternal life as knowing the Father and the Son. There is no possible way we could ever come to complete knowledge of God, so I have a feeling that we will be busy with discovery even in heaven! I doubt our interests and work here on earth will be wasted. I have a feeling that maybe, just maybe, whatever work we were created to do will continue, but without wrong turns, temptations, etc.

And I do know that in His resurrection body Christ ate with the disciples. And in Revelation 22 we find that the fruit of the tree of life is there in each season and that the leaves themselves are for the healing of the nations. I can't tell you I understand all this -- I don't. But I do think that even though it is spiritually we are created in the image of God, there is going to be more to this whole thing that we know now.

[ October 03, 2002, 12:26 PM: Message edited by: Helen ]

 

"Mom, pass the Jesus and the gravy please."

"Not until you finish your brussel sprouts, son."

Yes, let's get truthful. Christ said he was not going to drink of the fruit of the vine until he comes in his kingdom. Pretty hard to drink grape juice without killing a few grapes.

You are very strange.

[ October 03, 2002, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: BrianT ]

 

blackbird said:

If you think about it--the alcohol is a waste product produced in the dying process of the grape--as covered in above post!

If I thought about it, I probably wouldn't eat much at all.

But, based on the above, I would assume you don't eat bread - which could not exist without the same process of fermentation. Those little holes in bread? The waste product produced as yeast eats sugar and excretes carbon dioxide and alcohol.

Or cheese - secretions squeezed from the hind end of a cow, deliberately soured by the introduction of bacteria, coagulated, and allowed to ripen (i.e. ferment). Some of it even grows fungus. Yum yum.

But as it is, I like my rotted smashed grapes either red and fairly young, or white and medium dry - and my days-dead, dismembered cattle carcass medium rare. Funny how God would bless the eating of dead dismembered cow carcass since it is the by-product of a large, dead animal, but there you go.

[ October 03, 2002, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: Ransom ]

 

Is that the image I present? If you only knew...

Thank you for that lovely mental picture.

Interesting how you are against someone having a little wine with dinner now and then, but not against sanctioned physical violence. So many of your delightful allegorical comparisons involve beating, shooting, general warfare, etc. I wonder how many of the weaker brethren you are offending?

 

blackbird said:

True, true! Alcohol is one of my pet peaves--I'll stomp on it, swing at it, shoot at it, and when the day comes for the dentist to pull my real teeth out and I'm left with just my gums--I'll just "gum" the issue to death and spit it out!

So not only have you ripped off Billy Sunday's prohibitionism, you appear to have plagiarized his vapid rhetoric too.

 

And I "ain't" againt you. I'm against your faulty logic, false conclusions, misrepresentations, double standards, and avoidance of simple points.

No, I am not scared or offended. It's interesting how you avoided the point, presented another double standard, misrepresented me, and jumped to a false conclusion all at the same time. That takes real talent!

How do you make grape juice? Do you not pluck grapes off the vine, and crush them? How is that "silly"? How do you make bread? Do you not harvest living grains, dry them, grind them up into flour? Murphy, Blackbird's point was that alcohol is impossible because there is "no death" in heaven - but his very premise would prevent not only alcohol, but everything were some plant life dies. Blackbird's point is refuted by demonstrating the premise is faulty.

I'll tell you what is silly: this discussion.

 

How do you make grape juice? Do you not pluck grapes off the vine, and crush them? How is that "silly"? How do you make bread? Do you not harvest living grains, dry them, grind them up into flour? Murphy, Blackbird's point was that alcohol is impossible because there is "no death" in heaven - but his very premise would prevent not only alcohol, but everything were some plant life dies. Blackbird's point is refuted by demonstrating the premise is faulty.

Brian once again you refuse to answer the points listed. I truly believe Blackbird may have something here, maybe not. But I won't learn anything about that from you because you are too busy bringing up something else. If your bread view is valid do we know for certain bread will be eaten in heaven? As I said I don't know but possibly the fermenting process is different from picking and eating grapes. I will say one thing for you though, I am pleased that you have posted one reply to me that did not include donuts.
Murph

 

Brethren,

First of all, Jesus can do whatever He pleases.
If He wants to make wine or grape juice in heaven (or the Kingdom) without growing the grapes, picking and squeezing them (killing them) then He can.

Might I remind everyone that He already did it here on earth at the marriage in Cana. He made wine without any grapes at all, just water.
He also made fish flesh without killing any fish at the feeding of the 5000.

Second RE:the "fruit" of the vineyard:
The word that Jesus uses for fruit in this passage is not the standard word for fruit as of a tree such as an apple (karpos) but refers more to the resultant product from a process (ghennema);(plant, cultivate, harvest, squeeze, and put in wine skins).

Third, if we are resurrected when we drink this "fruit" of the vineyard that Jesus makes for us "new in the Kingdom" and it happens to contain alcohol, it won't matter because we will be alive through the Spirit and not oxygenated blood.
A resurrected human being could drink a gallon of pure ethanol and not get drunk because the bio-physics of blood intoxication won't be there (remember, a drunk's blood alcohol is what determines legal intoxication).

And yes, I agree. This thread is getting silly.

And I wish people would stop with this krispi Kreme thing and no donuts in heaven

HankD

[ October 03, 2002, 11:33 PM: Message edited by: HankD ]