Are you accusing the parents, who are trying to save the child's life, of abuse?
And it is not the parents who are withholding medical care. It is the doctors, hospital, and NHS that want to, and in fact did, kill the boy.
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Alfie Dies
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And it is not the parents who are withholding medical care. It is the doctors, hospital, and NHS that want to, and in fact did, kill the boy.
No, I am saying that we both agree that there are some circumstances where the wishes of the parents are not paramount with regard to the care of their child; we disagree on what those circumstances are.
No, his brain condition ie: he didn't have one, killed him; the doctors, hospital and NHS kept his artificially alive for over a year.
HMCTS are funded by the Treasury but are run by a committee consisting of at least three judges and is accountable not just to the government but also to the judiciary, with the Lord Chief Justice able to terminate the dual accountability
Again, the Treasury.
Now, you will probably think "Aha! 'He who pays the piper picks the tune': if the government pays for them then the government gets to control them, surely?" Actually, no: HMCTS is a partnership between the judiciary and the government and is operationally independent of the latter; judges frequently find the government and other public bodies to be in breach of the law via the process of judicial review. Similarly, NHS Foundation Trusts are semi-independent, being run by Governors, some of whom are appointed by government but others elected from within the local and medical community. The medics in turn are ethically and medically responsible not to the Trust employing them but to the doctor-run General Medical Council.
I can assure you therefore that no government minister had any role in the Alfie Evans decision making process.
They are not controlled by the government - did you not read what I put?
Will you also accept that there are some circumstances where the wishes of the parents should be overridden by the clinical concerns of the doctors
So, the government is not controlled by the government and Parliament doesn't make the laws. Okay.
To save a child's life? Sure. To murder a child. Never. I draw the line at killing children.
The government is answerable to the courts and to Parliament, not the other way round. The doctors are answerable to the General Medical Council. Is that clear enough for you?
Right, so you do agree with the principle that parents do not have absolute rights over children. Now we can move on to the issue of the circumstances where that principle might apply. Consider the following scenario: a baby girl is terminally ill in hospital. The parents want her to spend the last few days of her life at home with them. The medical evidence is that to move her would inflict severe pain on her and hasten her end. Should they be allowed their wish?
Alfie Evans: Love, loss and ignorance in the battle of Alder Hey
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Parents do not have the right to abuse their children nor to murder them nor to allow them to be murdered.
Non-sequitur. Please stick to the actual issue. Alfie was granted Italian citizenship so he could be treated in Italy with new methods that could possibly save, or at least extend, his life.
The doctors, hospital, and courts wanted to starve him to death instead. They won and murdered him. Get over it. Your country is run by a bunch of nazis.
Who is the General Medical Council answerable to?
It has always been clear to me. In spite of your constant smoke screens and trying to obscure the fact your medical system is under the control of your fascist government.
Not a non-sequitur but germane to what we are discussing. Will you answer it?
There is nothing accurate in this statement.
General Medical Council - Wikipedia
[QUOTE ]It has always been clear to me. In spite of your constant smoke screens and trying to obscure the fact your medical system is under the control of your fascist government.[/QUOTE] Then you haven't been paying attention.
Nothing germane about a figment of your imagination.
Your refusal to engage with it is noted.
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