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Alfie Dies
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First, my prayers for the family.
Our country used to rise up against tyrants... would we revolt today is anyone’s guess. But we are not talking about the USA, our eyes are on the UK. Let’s see what they are made of!
This is pure evil
It’s already happened here, Terri Schiavo. When Jeb Bush let it happen, the country I had known, died. Starved, but mainly dehydrated to death, her family (parents) was searched at the door for any water they tried to bring, couldn’t even wet her lips. We allowed that. We should have risen up. We didn’t.
Aaron said:
What kind of a country insists:
1. You must use our national health care.
2. You can't treat your child in the hospital.
3. You can't remove your child from the hospital.
4. You can't get treatment outside the hospital.
5. You must let you child die in the hospital.
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Apparently, no one in the UK can safely speak against this system.
This just makes me shudder so. We speak of the government as an entity, but there were individual people, who I assume are also mothers and fathers, who made this law and hardened themselves against this child and his family.
It's just sickening and a burden to the soul.
It's just sickening and a burden to the soul.
One in which the people have surrendered control of their lives to the government in exchange for a small measure of personal security. IOW what we here would call a welfare society.
I just can't understand what is going on. How can they be so cruel, yet think themselves so enlightened?
One of the few positives of socialized medicine is supposed to be everybody has the same access to treatment. On paper only, does anybody think the NHS would treat Teresa May/Muslim London mayor/Willie and Kate's child the way they treated Charlie Gard and now Alfie?
Yeah, you know Jeb! could have at least called a favor in on that judge but he couldn't be bothered. The Schiavo case was more a custody issue than a byproduct of socialized medicine but least it killed his presidential chances forever.
Yeah, you know Jeb! could have at least called a favor in on that judge but he couldn't be bothered. The Schiavo case was more a custody issue than a byproduct of socialized medicine but least it killed his presidential chances forever.
Then we suck
A dictatorial one
Power without love is brutality
Wrong there.
You can use private hospitals. You can have private health insurance if you wish. The last employer I had before I retired gave me free health insurance, but I never had to use it.
A friend of mine had two knee replacements in a private hospital but paid for by the NHS.
well, yeah, that's another thing that's not so egalitarian about the UK healthcare system, it is two-tiered, where the poorest are stuck with the government plan only.
Here, even with or without private insurance, things sometimes go wrong - remember that case of the 17 year old with cancer and her hippy mom that wanted to treat her with alternative medicine but the court took custody and made her undergo chemo. She is still alive AFAIK.
Then their was the weird case of that Poultrie kid - her guardians beat her into a coma and the government wanted to take her life support off, and in the meantime, one killed herself and the other contested it because then he'd be up for murder. The courts ruled to disconnect, but in the meantime, the kid woke up out of her coma.
Here, even with or without private insurance, things sometimes go wrong - remember that case of the 17 year old with cancer and her hippy mom that wanted to treat her with alternative medicine but the court took custody and made her undergo chemo. She is still alive AFAIK.
Then their was the weird case of that Poultrie kid - her guardians beat her into a coma and the government wanted to take her life support off, and in the meantime, one killed herself and the other contested it because then he'd be up for murder. The courts ruled to disconnect, but in the meantime, the kid woke up out of her coma.
There have been cases here where life support has been withdrawn and the patient has begun to come out of a coma and eventually recovered.
On the other thread I mentioned a relative of my dad's who was born with birth defects. I found out more today. She was born with a very small brain and the family were told she would not survive her fourth birthday, She died several years ago aged 37 having spent her whole life in a NHS hospital.
I also mentioned the excellent care my wife received in 1995. While in IT she was woken up every 30 minutes, She had the same condition that killed her dad in 1948, and that was about the time the NHS began to be formed.
In more recent years she was taken to hospital with hernias. The first time she was operated on the same evening and the second time, the next morning. We have no complaints.
No, Matt, the outcome would not have been the same, unless you're referring to Alfie's death. There was no reason not to return the child to his parents if he was so out of it and terminal, except a gay judge said no and it held on appeal.
I am glad you and David are happy with your healthcare system but I sure wouldn't want to be under it if I or somebody I knew had a rare and/or fatal disease - they ARE bureaucrats at NHS (the bureau) because they work for the government and are paid in tax dollars. But since they are bureaucrats, they're going to do everything by formula and try to apply their limited knowledge in cases like this one and Charlie's. Both of their conditions were so rare about nobody in the world "knew best", makes you wonder what they would have done with that Mask kid, Rocky or Steven Hawkin's parents if they weren't prominent in the British medical community. Already talked about a couple of cases here where the courts stepped in, realize that this is a complex and usually case by case situation, but you can see it can and does happen here. And so does the flipside:
What Does It Mean to Die? | The New Yorker
mother petitioned and won that case, still don't know for sure if she's alive or not but this is the other extreme.
I am glad you and David are happy with your healthcare system but I sure wouldn't want to be under it if I or somebody I knew had a rare and/or fatal disease - they ARE bureaucrats at NHS (the bureau) because they work for the government and are paid in tax dollars. But since they are bureaucrats, they're going to do everything by formula and try to apply their limited knowledge in cases like this one and Charlie's. Both of their conditions were so rare about nobody in the world "knew best", makes you wonder what they would have done with that Mask kid, Rocky or Steven Hawkin's parents if they weren't prominent in the British medical community. Already talked about a couple of cases here where the courts stepped in, realize that this is a complex and usually case by case situation, but you can see it can and does happen here. And so does the flipside:
What Does It Mean to Die? | The New Yorker
mother petitioned and won that case, still don't know for sure if she's alive or not but this is the other extreme.
I'm not sure what relevance the High Court judge's sexuality is to the case but, anyway... the outcome would have been the same: private medical practitioners are bound by the same code of conduct and ethics as those working for the NHS; both are regulated by the General Medical Council: General Medical Council - Wikipedia . Given that all the doctors involved in the court case - for all sides - agreed on (a) prognosis and (b) outcome, I'm struggling to see how the result would have been any different in a private hospital.