All Churches are commanded to teach Scripture

[makahiya117]

If you don't agree with my posts and they offend you,

why don't you stop reading them ?


Open a thread and state where you think the scriptures

given by inspiration of God are today ?

 

[makahiya117]

Be sincere, answer the question.

Be sincere, do you have scripture given by inspiration of God, yes or no ?


#1. You cannot honestly state you have scripture if you believe
only the original manuscripts were given by inspiration of God.
There are no original manuscripts.

KJV But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty,
not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully;
but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves
to every man's conscience in the sight of God.


#2. You cannot honestly say "the bible" or "all bibles" are given by inspiration of God.

There are over 400 (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Greek, Syrian, Latin, German, English, French, Spanish, etc. bibles
which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.


#3. You cannot honestly say "the Greek N.T." or "all N.T. Greek texts" are given by inspiration of God.

There are over 24 reconstructed (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Greek N.T. texts
which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

 

[Rippon]

Mak,you have had no desire to have any meaningful interation with anyone here.

You quote dishonorable "authorities" which will not further your cause.

You lambast the membersip here right and left. What do you hope will result from your cogitations?

There isn't a KJVO here,(to the best of my knowledge) who supports your postings. Does that tell you anything?

Before you are banned -- for I fear you will be in a matter of time -- please reconsider the reflections of others who have tried to reason with you.

Yes, we have joked. But it's better than getting only sad about your approach.

We hope and pray you will "come around" somewhat.

 

[Dr. Bob]

What "words" did God "breathe"?

If you believe God "breathed" the AV1611, then your "god" is a liar, since there are errors and untruths in that translation.

If you believe God "miraculously preserved His words" in a different, weaker receptor language that is one iota DIFFERENT from His words, they are thus not "preserved" but "changed".

I have God's actual words in my hand right now (actually, laid it down to type - but you get the idea).

Not an Anglican man-made weak translation of God's actual words, but His WORDS!!

ουτως γαρ ηγαπησεν ο θεος τον κοσμον ωστε τον υιον αυτου τον μονογενη εδωκεν ινα πας ο πιστευων εις αυτον μη αποληται αλλ εχη ζωην αιωνιον

 

[Logos1560]

#2. You cannot honestly say "the bible" or "all bibles" are given by inspiration of God.

If you assume or claim that "Scripture" at 2 Timothy 3:16 means or includes translations, you have the serious problem with the word "ALL" since you deny that all Bibles [translations] are given by inspiration of God.

Are you admitting that what 2 Timothy 3:16 states contradicts your reasoning that tries to assert that translations [at least one translation] must be considered to be given by inspiration of God since you evidently deny the meaning of "all"?

#3. You cannot honestly say "the Greek N.T." or "all N.T. Greek texts" are given by inspiration of God.

There are over 24 reconstructed (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Greek N.T. texts
which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

Are you again implying that the KJV translators were not honest?

 

[jonathan.borland]

Hiya Makahiya!

Do you think Jesus was holding the very scroll Isaiah scratched letters on or dictated to another to write when he read in the temple? If not, do you charge our Lord himself with the same condescending questions with which you charge us? Do you think an exact copy of an autograph is as authoritative and inspired as the original? Do you think all the copyists made errors at the exact same places so that the original wording disappeared? If so, on what basis? If not, why all the fuss? Ok, I'll say it: the Byzantine textform is the perfect preserved word of God in the original Greek, and whenever any translation deviates from it, including the KJV, it deviates from the perfect word of God. There. All three of your points are refuted.

 

[HankD]

Here is a URL where you will find the entire AD1611 photographed page by page including the Apocrypha:

http://sceti.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/index.cfm?TextID=kjbible&PagePosition=702

It's a tough navigation though.

HankD

 

[Yeshua1]

Hiya Makahiya!

Do you think Jesus was holding the very scroll Isaiah scratched letters on or dictated to another to write when he read in the temple? If not, do you charge our Lord himself with the same condescending questions with which you charge us? Do you think an exact copy of an autograph is as authoritative and inspired as the original? Do you think all the copyists made errors at the exact same places so that the original wording disappeared? If so, on what basis? If not, why all the fuss? Ok, I'll say it: the Byzantine textform is the perfect preserved word of God in the original Greek, and whenever any translation deviates from it, including the KJV, it deviates from the perfect word of God. There. All three of your points are refuted.

Funny thing though is that many say the same regarding the Critical Greek text also!

 

[jonathan.borland]

Funny thing though is that many say the same regarding the Critical Greek text also!

Then Makahiya's accusations are doubly refuted. More seriously, though, I know no one who would defend every textual decision of NA or UBS. Even those on the committee didn't get all the ones they voted for. Everyone seems to have their pet readings they love to defend. On the other hand, my mentor Maurice Robinson (so far as I know) would defend every reading contained in his edited GNT.

 

[robycop3]

If you don't agree with my posts and they offend you,

why don't you stop reading them ?

Because that's NOT how a discussion forum works.

And your posts don't OFFEND me; they're largely WRONG. I just point it out.

Open a thread and state where you think the scriptures

given by inspiration of God are today ?

EASY! I don't need to start a new thread just to do that!

They're in every ancient Scriptural ms. that GOD has preserved unto this day-and in every valid translation of those mss.

Betcha you can'y prove differently!

 

[makahiya117]

I don't read your posts.

The topic is final authority and final canonization.

State your theory of final authority and final canonization.

Be sincere, I'll read it.




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[annsni]

I am grateful that our church teaches Scripture and uses it extensively. A new visitor yesterday even commented "I love how you use the Bible so much!" Praise God for His Word to us!

 

[makahiya117]

You are insincere and unresponsive.

I say that with love and sincerity.

 

[annsni]

You are insincere and unresponsive.

I say that with love and sincerity.

Are you speaking to me? Because I responded to the OP?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Mak,you have had no desire to have any meaningful interation with anyone here.

You quote dishonorable "authorities" which will not further your cause.

You lambast the membersip here right and left. What do you hope will result from your cogitations?

There isn't a KJVO here,(to the best of my knowledge) who supports your postings. Does that tell you anything?

Before you are banned -- for I fear you will be in a matter of time -- please reconsider the reflections of others who have tried to reason with you.

Yes, we have joked. But it's better than getting only sad about your approach.

We hope and pray you will "come around" somewhat.

Good post Rip:thumbsup:

 

[Logos1560]

I don't read your posts.

The topic is final authority and final canonization.

State your theory of final authority and final canonization.

Be sincere, I'll read it.

You are wrong to question the sincerity of believers in the Scriptures just because they may disagree with your opinions.

If you refuse to read the posts of others, it is no wonder that you seem to be unable to engage in any serious discussion.

Perhaps you refuse to read those posts since you have read other of their posts that exposed the errors in your unproven claims.

Are you showing that you cannot face the truth or do not want to learn the facts and that you are unable to answer the evidence in those posts?

A translation made in 1611 could not be the final authority for the Scriptures that had already existed for many years.

The final authority for the Scriptures existed before 1611.

 

[makahiya117]

You are wrong to question the sincerity of believers in the Scriptures just because they may disagree with your opinions.

The final authority for the Scriptures existed before 1611.

" many", you're wrong,

KJV Holy Bibles are the most published, read and loved Holy Bible of all time.

You do not understand the Purified Text Theory.

 

[makahiya117]

Originally Posted by Rippon
There isn't a KJVO here,(to the best of my knowledge) who supports your postings. Does that tell you anything ?



I am not a KJV Only nor an Original Only.

I believe all scripture is given by inspiration of God.

You do not understand the Purified Text Theory.

 

[makahiya117]

What "words" did God "breathe"?

I have God's actual words in my hand right now (actually, laid it down to type - but you get the idea).

ουτως γαρ ηγαπησεν ο θεος τον κοσμον ωστε τον υιον αυτου τον μονογενη εδωκεν ινα πας ο πιστευων εις αυτον μη αποληται αλλ εχη ζωην αιωνιον

When an individual says “ the Greek ” , “ the original Greek ” ,
“ the original text ” , “ the original manuscript ” , etc. ,
that individual is speaking like a parrot or a deceiver.
There are over 24 reconstructed (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Greek N.T. Texts
which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

You cannot honestly say “ the Greek N.T. ” or “ all N.T. Greek Texts ”
are given by inspiration of God. There are over 24 reconstructed
(Christian, Catholic, Cult) Greek N.T. Texts which do not match
in content, volume or doctrine.

What reconstructed Greek N.T. text are you talking about ?

Be sincere, explain how a reconstructed text is infallible.

 

[Logos1560]

I believe all scripture is given by inspiration of God.

Do you really believe that all translations of the preserved Scriptures in the original languages are given by inspiration of God?

If not, do you suggest an exclusive only claim for one English translation--the KJV--as being the supposed only English scriptures after 1611 that you would accept?