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"all have sinned"
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Wow...it's amazing you heard a baby tell a lie from birth, actually just speaking from birth is amazing! What side show circus did this happen at? You have no clue how to discern literal from figurative language...
It's not in a babies nature to run and jump one day? That's silly? I suppose it's not in their nature to communicate either. How do these miraculous events occur if it's not in human nature, Luke? Is this some kind of mystery like your special dispensation of salvation? Maybe it's not even human nature to walk upright one day!
glfredrick
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Oh, snap... I taught you a new word. :BangHead:
glfredrick
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We have definitively proven that your line of reasoning in this instance is not Scriptural. You claim Christ, do you also claim the Scriptures or do we need to start treating you as an infidel and unbeliever?
You can continue to argue this as a point of logic, or you can accept what the Word says. What is it?
I never once argued for open theism. The irony is you do not address the questions I pose to you, or when I show you how your "proof text" commentaries are anything but...but you sure enjoy erecting strawmen to tear down. I'm going to start calling you Handy Manny.
Taking figurative language the way it is supposed to be taken is unscriptural? You have also heard a baby talk from the womb, and tell a lie? Reading the National Enquirer again?
Based on your un-christlike attitude...should we start doing the same with you? Actually, putting yourself on par with the Word is idolatry. That might be reason enough...
Don't flatter yourself. You have a hard enough time teaching theology
psalms109:31
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The most un-truth isn't what you want to believe, but the truth is God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. So man has any excuse not to come, just listen and learn from Jesus, the only one with that knowledge.
God choose people in the womb to prepare the way for Christ. I believe as you do before the cross, but after Jesus was lifted up all man can come. God has included with elect those who are meek and humble who trusted in the Lord those who heard the Gospel of their salvation having believed.
I was not chosen in the womb, but was included with believing Jews when I heard the Gospel of my salvation having believed.
Like I said they were the one's chosen before the foundation of the world the world, but those who were not able to enter was because of unbelief. I am a dog who begged at the master table
quantumfaith
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Uncalled for Luke....Uncalled for
No, WEBDOG, it is not a baby's nature to run and jump. It is a kid's nature to run and jump.
It is not a tadpole's nature to hop and eat flies- it is a frog's. Adding "one day" is ignorant. It either IS or IS NOT right NOW. Saying something is ONE DAY is ignorant.
What a ridiculous anecdote- almost as poor as your "shower and towel" anecdote.
You set yourself up as a moderator and mediator but you are the most one sided moderator I have ever seen.
quantumfaith
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How did I not know that commentary such as that was on its way.
Do you know what DNA is? What is encoded into it?
You do realize what you are saying here, right? If it's not in a baby's nature to run and jump, since they cannot commit sin (you even admitted as such) they must not have a sin nature! More Luke "consistent inconsistency".
It is programmed into their DNA to do just that, even as a tadpole. In your zeal to always disagree, you make these kind of statements that make no sense. Human nature is defined as "the qualities and traits common to humanity". You would have an adult and an infant as both not being humans using your rationale. You would fit in well with Planned Parenthood.
...or as good as your "Jack and Jill" one.
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DNA has nothing to do with nature, genius.
Sin is not in our DNA.
You keep digging a deeper hole into ignorance the more you debate.
The only way you could say less is to keep talking.
It must be because I am a Calvinist...
Because you sure wouldn't expect anything negative to ever come from the mouth of any one else- that's for dang sure.
No, anytime a non-reformed opens his mouth, no matter how ridiculous his comments, you respond with a deluge of thumb ups and words like "EXCELLENT THOUGHTS!!"
I suppose that if a a non-reformed were to support Mormonism in opposition to Calvinism you would shower them with praise.
The fact of the matter is you trot around here on your high horse reprimanding Calvinists left and right and do nothing but spur on the insolence of ANYONE who is not a Calvinist.
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It is obvious that Psalms 58:3 is figurative and should not be taken literally, or used to form doctrine.
Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
1) This verse does not say all men are estranged from the womb, it says "The wicked"
2) It says they go "astray" as soon as they be born. Astray from what? This is similar to Isa 53:6 that says all men have gone astray.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
If we like sheep have gone astray, then at one time we must have been in the flock. You can't go astray if you were not in the flock at one time.
This argues that men are not born lost, but soon after go astray in sin and are lost. It is true that all men will do this.
3) It is obvious hyperbole that it says the wicked are born speaking lies, infants do not have the ability to speak.
4) If you accept verse 3 as literal, you would need to accept verse 4 as well. Are children born poisonous like a serpent? Breast feeding could be very dangerous for the mother if this were so.
So, these verses are obvious exaggeration and should not be the foundation of doctrine.
Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
1) This verse does not say all men are estranged from the womb, it says "The wicked"
2) It says they go "astray" as soon as they be born. Astray from what? This is similar to Isa 53:6 that says all men have gone astray.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
If we like sheep have gone astray, then at one time we must have been in the flock. You can't go astray if you were not in the flock at one time.
This argues that men are not born lost, but soon after go astray in sin and are lost. It is true that all men will do this.
3) It is obvious hyperbole that it says the wicked are born speaking lies, infants do not have the ability to speak.
4) If you accept verse 3 as literal, you would need to accept verse 4 as well. Are children born poisonous like a serpent? Breast feeding could be very dangerous for the mother if this were so.
So, these verses are obvious exaggeration and should not be the foundation of doctrine.
No. It's because you are rude and arrogant and do not display the fruits of the Spirit.It must be because I am a Calvinist...
We have a Calvinist on the BB named Tom Butler who is always full of grace and is very liked around here. You should imitate him.
Tom is a fine fella, I grant you. But he has more patience with ignorance and arrogance than I do.
Tom is smart enough, though, to recognize the sheer arrogance and ignorance of ANYBODY who thinks they can just outright ignore 2,000 years of church history and proclaim haphazardly these silly new doctrines. Tom knows it is arrogant and ignorant, I venture, he is just kind enough to tolerate it and go on without combating it. I am not.
quantumfaith
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It must be because I am a Calvinist...
Because you sure wouldn't expect anything negative to ever come from the mouth of any one else- that's for dang sure.
No, anytime a non-reformed opens his mouth, no matter how ridiculous his comments, you respond with a deluge of thumb ups and words like "EXCELLENT THOUGHTS!!"
I suppose that if a a non-reformed were to support Mormonism in opposition to Calvinism you would shower them with praise.
The fact of the matter is you trot around here on your high horse reprimanding Calvinists left and right and do nothing but spur on the insolence of ANYONE who is not a Calvinist.
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I no longer ride horses Luke. I have Calvinist friends many of them, it is the ones who thrive on being obnoxious that I tend to grate on. You are in that crowd. And yes, I have "biases" dont we all, even you master Luke? Rarely do I come anywhere near being the "know it all" that you want everyone to think you are.
Perhaps the name-calling should stop. By name-calling I mean "arrogant and ignorant" etc.
But I will add, it is the height of arrogance to for you to say that it is your beliefs or even Calvin's beliefs that were the accepted beliefs for 2,000 years of church history. They were accepted by Calvinists, of course. But those aren't the only Christians that exist on the face of the earth.
Now please return to the OP and post with civility.
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