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"Allegorical" and "Spiritual" Hermeneutics

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Iconoclast

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robycop3,
Sorry, Sir, but SCRIPTURE & HISTORY prove otherwise about the AOD - Daniel 9:27.


Scripture and history prove my position
1]there was a temple, holy place that was destroyed
2] the antichrist stood in it, before the stones were cast down
3] it was left desolate as predicted by jesus

4]Jesus , not the antichrist does the things in dan 9:24-27.
.make an end of sins, confirm a covenant after 3.5 yrs
 

HankD

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Symbolism can be used represent those attributes of the literal.

Coming on a white horse can represent Jesus coming as Lord of lords and King of kings at His literal second coming.

Our view of eschatology is a function of classification(s) of the literal and symbolic representation of truth or the mixture thereof.

HankD
 

David Kent

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Sorry, Sir, but SCRIPTURE & HISTORY prove otherwise about the AOD - Daniel 9:27.
.27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”
What strange bible version is that? the JW one?
 

David Kent

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Rouge means red. Glad he's figured out a color.

Shows how clueless a certain poster is I HEVE NEVER said the "rogue planet" theory is set in stone. I said it's a POSSIBILITY, and THAT cannot be disproven until/unless the events occur by another source.

Rouge is French for red, and when the French use Rouge on its own they usually mean (red) wine. So Mars may be made of wine like the moon is made of Cheese,
 

Aaron

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Premillennialism fails because it contradicts explicit theological premises in the Epistles, not the least of which is the end of the temple, priesthood and the offerings.

The Spirit is unequivocal. As long as an earthly temple is standing, the testimony is that Christ did not make Atonement. Talk of your antichrist!

Instead of taking that to Revelation, some will make up answers like that the offerings will be memorials. LOL. Yeah, memorials of sin.
 

Covenanter

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My latest email is entitled:
Back after popular demand: Free dispenser with Scott and Kleenex refills.

How best to free all you dispensers from the errors of your ways?
 

robycop3

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Must of not been quick enough, 1.1 million Jews died. I think you need to rethink a little.

That was THEIR OWN FAULT, as they had some 8 months to flee. And, as I've said several times, that was part of the "days of vengeance" Jesus pronounced against the Jews. Please note that it was the Jews in or near Jerusalem who mordered most of the martyred prophets & other righteous martyrs, and it was that area the Romans hit the hardest.
 

robycop3

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The prince was never the subject, how can the He be the prince?

When Daniel wrote, the verses weren't numbered. and "the prince" was the last person mentioned in V 26. You know the rules for the antecedents of pronouns.
 

robycop3

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Now is that after the rogue planet comes to earth to cause plagues?

On his white horse, or when he touches down on the mount of olives?

While you're trying to be sarcastic, CAN YOU SAY WITH CERTAINTY that it's impossible for the rogue planet to happen, or for Jesus to descend upon a white horse? Please answer TRUTHFULLY.
 

robycop3

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My fault, I type to quick sometimes. Maybe the rouge planet will be the rogue planet.

Or it may not happen at all. I said it was just a theory of a possibility on my part. I don't know what physical agent God will use to bring on the plagues, but Scripture indicates most people won't attribute them to God. A rogue planet would be a ready-made excuse for the "man of sin" to use to exclude God from the mix.
 

robycop3

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Premillennialism fails because it contradicts explicit theological premises in the Epistles, not the least of which is the end of the temple, priesthood and the offerings.

The Spirit is unequivocal. As long as an earthly temple is standing, the testimony is that Christ did not make Atonement. Talk of your antichrist!

Instead of taking that to Revelation, some will make up answers like that the offerings will be memorials. LOL. Yeah, memorials of sin.

Remember, the temple the Jews will build in Jerusalem won't REALLY be a "temple of God", as JESUS won't be worshipped there. But many people will view it as such.
 

Covenanter

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I'll begin with my reply to John -

2 Peter 3:3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”
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8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.


Read what Peter wrote - one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. - was he just crazy? And he wasn't just locked up, he was crucified.

I know I have dotted out the examples Peter gives, referring to the flood, & the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. The scoffers are ungodly men who will be judged in the lifetime of this generation i.e. within 35-40 years after the Olivet prophecy. Hebrews 3 gives the same warning. But of course, he's quoting poetry so that needs "interpreting." [that's sarcasm] And Hebrews 4 shows the sword of his mouth about to smite. The forty years is nearing its end - AD 70.


I am not interpreting allegorically, I am interpreting according to the context & the allusion to Olivet comparing with Hebrews who quotes the Psalm 95 & Numbers 14.

Your reference to "various other authors" has no value in this discussion. And with reference to Rev. 20, the 1,000 years has run for 2,000 years. Does that make God slack concerning His promise?

And of course, with reference to Daniel 9, the 70 weeks ran out around AD 33 after Jesus had finished his saving work & the Jewish leaders had rejected the Apostolic Gospel & been declared uncircumcised. Say that to the average person on the street and he'll see it makes sense. (That's literal understanding.)

Tell the average person on the street that there are hundreds of weeks between week 69 & week 70 and he'll call for you to be locked up. (That's hyperbole.)

You still have one big prob, Captain - THOSE EVENTS HAVEN'T YET OCCURRED!

So the scoffers Peter referred to were vindicated IYO - Jesus didn't keep his promise of his coming. The scoffers died still denying his coming.

All your posts are negative. Give your understanding of 2 Peter 3.

No, Jesus has NOT yet returned, which is an obvious a fact as there is!

As for 2 Peter 3, those scoffers are here now, denying that Jesus will return. And they'll continue to come til Jesus does return. As for the "day of the Lord " Peter mentione, it'll be after Jesus has returned & the millenium is over.

Roby, perhaps you can tell us what hermeneutical system you have used to give your interpretation of 2 Peter 3 in one short paragraph.
 

David Kent

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When Daniel wrote, the verses weren't numbered. and "the prince" was the last person mentioned in V 26. You know the rules for the antecedents of pronouns.

If you read through the OT you will find that rule doesn't always apply, and anyway, the last in that verse was the people.
 
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