Am I Baptist ?

[timdabap]

No. Judas is not in Heaven. And yes Jesus purchased every man, 1 Timothy 2:6, Romans 14:9, Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:10-11.

you know, I am going to play devil's advocate (right term ?) tonight and post reasons why I think Jesus did include Judas in the "which is shed for you" bit...yeah.
But for now, it is Sunday where I'm at, 12 hours ahead of New Yoik, and have to fetch bath water from a waterfall a little yonder (not true....it's my sarcastic way of referring to the inadequacy of water services here) and get ready for our Sunday meeting.

 

[Salty]

That's what we call it --Grace giving.
Give cheerfully, with hilarity, according as the Lord has prospered you, with no grumbling.

Oh my word - are you saying that we agree on something!!!

 

[tyndale1946]

Thank you- No Prim Baptist in our neck of the woods.

Wondering if what you mean is my belief?
I do not beleive the NT teaches the thither - rather Grace giving....

Just so you know Salty... I know four but we are not as out spoken as this one... Brother Glen

Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

 

[tyndale1946]

Figures. Primitive Baptists are small congregations. 10, 12,20...there are larger ones, though, mostly in the South, and Southeast (Mississippi, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky) a smattering in California, a few in the New Mexico-Arizona area, some in Oklahoma, one or two I remember in the Oregon-Washington mountain area (Yakima, if I'm not mistaken).

That's what we call it --Grace giving.
Give cheerfully, with hilarity, according as the Lord has prospered you, with no grumbling.

You forgot Texas!... Brother Glen

 

[percho]

Yep, Jesus said Judas did not believe. Judas was the son of perdition. Judas was not saved. So yes, I say it with authority because THE authority said so.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

What is the meaning of that verse relative to your thought?

 

[timdabap]

You forgot Texas!... Brother Glen

ooopppss !! my bad.

 

[tyndale1946]

ooopppss !! my bad.

I'm still trying to figure out how you remembered Joe and forgot Sonny?... I'll let it go for now but I got my eye on you... Brother Glen

 

[Reformed1689]

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

What is the meaning of that verse relative to your thought?

I don't see what it has to do with the topic.

 

[percho]

I don't see what it has to do with the topic.

I have always thought the verse implied everybody dies then at some point after death they are judged. Does the judgement take place at death or at resurrection from the dead?

 

[Aaron]

Lol.
What kind of question is that ?
I think the better question is: are you a New Testament Christian ?
To which my answer is, hopefully I am, because as far as I know, I hold to the total total total Sovereignty of God over all His creation, over all His works, over all His people in the aspects and matter of their eternal salvation and timely personal, and church, lives.
I refuse to judge and condemn anyone to eternal punishment except the son of perdition, whom others on here say Jesus Christ included in His blood atonement.
(lol. think about that. and I got not a few negative vibes and insinuations in the thread "What if" ?)
Either the blood of Christ, that blood that kept the angel of death away from houses with the passover lamb's blood on the doorpost, the burnt offering, the paschal lamb, the lamb slain before the foundation of the world, the lamb that taketh away the sins of the world, that precious blood described by Peter, took away all the sins of Judas himself, including his betrayal, or it did not.
It is efficacious to those for whom it was shed, or it is not.
Judas is in heaven, or he is not.
Which is it.

Well, are y'all New Testament believers ?

I think a better question is, Is this still a Baptist Board? With an activist moderator loudly, and unchecked, denying the substitutionary nature of the Atonement, that issue is in serious doubt.

Perhaps it's time this forum be absorbed into Christianforums.com , where orthodoxy goes to die.

 

[kyredneck]

How could Jesus be crucified IF Judas didn't betray him?...

If God could have replaced Israel through Moses and if He could 'of these rocks raise up children unto Abraham' I've no doubt He could have made do without Judas, who was needed to fulfill certain scriptures.

18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled: He that eateth my bread lifted up his heel against me. Jn 13

12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name which thou hast given me: and I guarded them, and not one of them perished, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. Jn 17

16 Brethren, it was needful that the Scripture should be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spake before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who was guide to them that took Jesus.
17 For he was numbered among us, and received his portion in this ministry. Acts 1

 

[Dr. Bob]

Baptized in a Baptist church, member.
Re-baptized in a Baptist church, member.
Has some different doctrinal interpretations than me.
Yep. Fits in fine here
Meets my criteria

 

[percho]

When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Which twelve?

When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Does moving the comer change anything?

 

[Aaron]

Mere membership in a Baptist church is not the only criterion. There are certain distinctives that, if denied, makes one other than a Baptist. Not merely the form of church government, and not merely believer's baptism or mode thereof, but the meaning contained in the rite.

Our Baptism signifies our identity in Christ on the Cross, and in His death. In other words, we testify of Christ with us, rather, we in Him.

It is through Him that we have received the penalty due our sin, and also through Him that it is impossible that the pains of death may hold us.

Romans 6:3-11

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Peter also pointed to this meaning in baptism, in allusion to the Ark. It is the 'like figure,' or eminent picture. Noah and his family entered the Ark. Judgement is poured out upon the world, and upon the Ark. But the Ark carried them through the judgment. Bore the judgement on it's own body in Noah's place. The judgment lifted the Ark and cast it down. And Noah and his family in it. But the judgment didn't come near any of them. It didn't touch any of them.

The judgment could not swallow the Ark, because of its design; because of its nature.

And so because it is impossible that the Son could be held by the pains of death, He prevailed over the judgment of God, and we in Him.

That's what we signify in Baptism. Christ is our substitute. That's the Baptist faith message.

Can you really say that Jesus did not receive our due in our place, and be considered a Baptist?