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American Protestant Party
- Thread starter Noah Hirsch
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Two reasons to join a political party:
1) to vote in their party primaries
2) to run for office nomination in their primary
In addition by being involved - you are able to provide guidance for the direction of your party.
I did read the platform for the American Protestant Party.
I didnt see anything I disagree - but then again - it does not go far enough for me.
Was the same case with the Right-To-Life Party. - which is probably one reason I never joined
Noah Hirsch
Active Member
I wrote the platform. So, I can easily change it. No one has joined yet. What is it that you would like to be changed in the platform to go far enough?
Noah Hirsch
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Noah Hirsch
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Of course.
Well, to start with I will say that we are not legally recognized as a party. We will not a lot more people in order for that to happen. So, that is one thing you need to know about the American Protestant Party is that it is still in formation and not yet a legally recognized party. But the goal is to make it so God willing. And the goal in order to that end is to begin by getting it recognized at the State or other local levels.
I would also say that all who would join besides affirming their agreement to the platform are required to give a conversion testimony. This is a measure in order to the end of party purity. I want people who in the judgment of Christian charity may reasonably considered to be true Christians. This measure goes with the end of the party to have a Christian party that is a good example and influence to American believers to prevent and work against bad influences that believers receive from the major current party. It is my goal for the American Protestant Party that it should be more thoroughly biblical and more strictly based upon Scripture than the current existing parties.
The American Protestant Party is to be an example of integrity. A party with candidates who have integrity and are not engaged in corruption or dishonesty is one end I have in mind for the American Protestant Party. To this end there should be accountability between the members of the party. Party members should hold each other accountability for integrity. Only persons who have a reputation for honesty, integrity, and truth are to be illegitimate for candidates to be set forth by the American Protestant Party. As Christians we represent Christ. As a Christian party my goal is that those in the American Protestant Party would rightly represent Christ to the world, that they would be good examples and lights to the world.
One end of the American Protestant Party is to be a forum for Christians to think biblically about the issues and how to engage in politics in a godly manner. It is meant as a preservative from errors like the social gospel and making Christianity look just like morality, while still giving Christians a platform to engage in politics.
I certainly understand not wanting to be committed right away, wanting to have more information and time to think about it. And that’s okay. As I said we are not yet an official party. The party is still in the process of formation.
Ideas are welcome. Don’t think that every issue will be addressed in the platform. Part of my goal for the American Protestant Party is for a Christian party that has unity and agreement of certain issues and doctrines that are more central to the party’s thought and important to have agreeance on, while at the same time allowing for liberty and differences on things not addressed in the party platform. In this way there can be both unity in truth and agreeance upon certain more central matters, while avoiding violating Christian liberty or making extra biblical doctrines requirements for membership.
“God alone is Lord of the conscience, and has left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men, which are, in any thing, contrary to His Word; or beside it, in matters of faith, or worship...” (The Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter XX: Of Christian Liberty, and Liberty of Conscience, paragraph II)
Hmmm - once you become a recognized party - and I am pertty shure most states/commonwealths are like NY- anyone can join the party - without being "approved". This is simply done by checking the block on the registration form?
Same goes for candidates - you may have a candidate qualify that you may not fully agree!
Do you have a lawyer ? May not be a bad ideal to seek the advice of one. Or at least contact a group such as
Welcome to Christian Legal Society | Christian Legal Society -- they may be able to give some basic advice.
Good luck
But for now, I will stick with the NY Cons Party - esp since I am on the State Committee!
Same goes for candidates - you may have a candidate qualify that you may not fully agree!
Do you have a lawyer ? May not be a bad ideal to seek the advice of one. Or at least contact a group such as
Welcome to Christian Legal Society | Christian Legal Society -- they may be able to give some basic advice.
Good luck
But for now, I will stick with the NY Cons Party - esp since I am on the State Committee!
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Noah Hirsch
Active Member
No, but a recognition of the different spheres of life.
Pragmatism we reject. Pragmatism involves compromise.
The Kingdom of God, which Jesus called for us to join in becoming Christians, is separate from all the Kingdoms of this world which are controlled by Satan. Not even the best country including America is comparable to the Kingdom of God. Using so-called Christianity to further America is not the objective of the followers of Jesus whose objective is to further the Kingdom of God. Any effort to use Christianity to further a political party or a nation plays into Satan's hands. Those that preach this religion are preaching a false gospel.
I guess I do not understand the purpose of the party. It seems to me to be a compromise (rather than standing for Christ as "kingdom people" it seems that the party is seeking to influence the Word through political power).
Maybe my assessment is just too early.
Noah Hirsch
Active Member
I do not confuse the gospel with society endeavor. I do, however, recognize that truth, right and wrong, what is just and what is unjust is defined by God. I do not doubt that you also affirm this that truth, right and wrong are defined by God. The question then, is how does our knowledge of the standard of truth, equity and inequity, right and wrong work out or influence our engagement in the culture or in the public square?
I know that America is not to be confounded with the church or the government of our nation with the government of the church. I know that the church is the spiritual kingdom of Christ, that Christ’s kingdom is spiritual in nature, and that it is necessary to be born again to enter it. This necessity of being born again, born of the Spirit in order to enter the kingdom of God excludes all unbelievers and unregenerate persons from being a part of His kingdom, so that the kingdom of God of which our Savior speaks cannot be an earthly, ethnic, and national kingdom. Indeed our Savior tells us that, “...Except one be born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3 ASV)
But we may also recognize that the gospel calls all to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ, including such as are already in places of civil authority. Salvation is freely offered to them in Christ just as it is offered to those who are not in civil government. But what then, should one do who is already a civil authority and in civil government when he is converted and comes to Christ? How should he live out his life in the context of his particular place and calling in subjection to the authority and Kingship of Jesus Christ who reigns spiritually in his heart now that he has come to Christ?
Thanks for the thoughtful response. My problem is I( see so many in the church that combine their faith with their politics or almost worship America and especially soldiers. As long as someone recognized his supreme authority is to the Lord and nothing else, even family or "doing good things" for their own sake, I think they have their priorities in order.
One thing in particular particularly bothers me. Many here and at church think of the Republican party as God's party primarily because of the abortion issue. Republicans decided to use this as a primary political issue when Jerry Ford was nominated for president in 1976. That Republican convention was pro-choice but Bob Dole (influenced by extremist Jesse Helms) agreed to a hard-line anti-abortion plank. It's ALL been political. Just ask yourself why the 1973 SC Roe vs. Wade ruling (made by a 6R, 3 D court) hasn't been changed in almost 50 years by the Republican Party. The answer is they don't want to change it because it's great politics for them.
So we have Republicans going around saying you can't be a Christian if you vote for a Democrat. Of course I agree that it's great when we have Christian leadership and they demonstrate it in their leadership. Jimmy Carter is a great example of that. But most here don't agree because he was a democrat.
Everybody sins, including presidents. Not talking about personal sins, that is a given.
Talking about policy sins. Here is one from President Carter that few discuss or even acknowledge as his.
Other missteps and background given here from which section below was taken:
Jimmy Carter's Blood-Drenched Legacy - CounterPunch.org
East Timor, 1977
After the democratically-elected President Sukarno of Indonesia was overthrown with the assistance of the CIA in 1967, mass-murderer Suharto assumed power as military dictator and a strong ally of the US government.
In late 1975, Henry Kissinger and Gerald Ford gave the green light to Suharto to invade neighboring East Timor. After occupying the capital city Dili, Indonesian troops systematically rooted out resistance by the Revolutionary Front for an Independent East Timor (FRETILIN) and the civilian population across the island. Residents of occupied areas were subjected to massive re-education brainwashing campaigns. The death toll from violence by Indonesian forces, malnutrition and disease quickly climbed into the tens of thousands.
The genocidal slaughter reached its peak in 1977, On March 1, 95 members of the Australian Parliament sent a letter to Carter claiming the Indonesian troops were carrying out “atrocities” and asking the American President “to comment publicly on the situation in East Timor.” [3]
The response was crickets. Carter ramped up aid with funding and weapons to the murderous Indonesian regime, brazenly flaunting the human rights requirements imposed on American aid.
As journalist Richard Dudman reported at the time: “amid all the talks about human rights, the country with perhaps the worst record has been getting increased amounts of economic and military aid from the Carter administration,” which is attributed to the “bonanza enjoyed by American oil companies and multi-national corporations since the present military regime came to power.” [4]
Precise statistics on the death toll of East Timorese at the hands of the Indonesian forces – who enjoyed the unconditional support of the US government – are hard to come by, but FAIR noted in a 1994 article that “by the time Carter left office, about 200,000 people had been slaughtered.”
Talking about policy sins. Here is one from President Carter that few discuss or even acknowledge as his.
Other missteps and background given here from which section below was taken:
Jimmy Carter's Blood-Drenched Legacy - CounterPunch.org
East Timor, 1977
After the democratically-elected President Sukarno of Indonesia was overthrown with the assistance of the CIA in 1967, mass-murderer Suharto assumed power as military dictator and a strong ally of the US government.
In late 1975, Henry Kissinger and Gerald Ford gave the green light to Suharto to invade neighboring East Timor. After occupying the capital city Dili, Indonesian troops systematically rooted out resistance by the Revolutionary Front for an Independent East Timor (FRETILIN) and the civilian population across the island. Residents of occupied areas were subjected to massive re-education brainwashing campaigns. The death toll from violence by Indonesian forces, malnutrition and disease quickly climbed into the tens of thousands.
The genocidal slaughter reached its peak in 1977, On March 1, 95 members of the Australian Parliament sent a letter to Carter claiming the Indonesian troops were carrying out “atrocities” and asking the American President “to comment publicly on the situation in East Timor.” [3]
The response was crickets. Carter ramped up aid with funding and weapons to the murderous Indonesian regime, brazenly flaunting the human rights requirements imposed on American aid.
As journalist Richard Dudman reported at the time: “amid all the talks about human rights, the country with perhaps the worst record has been getting increased amounts of economic and military aid from the Carter administration,” which is attributed to the “bonanza enjoyed by American oil companies and multi-national corporations since the present military regime came to power.” [4]
Precise statistics on the death toll of East Timorese at the hands of the Indonesian forces – who enjoyed the unconditional support of the US government – are hard to come by, but FAIR noted in a 1994 article that “by the time Carter left office, about 200,000 people had been slaughtered.”