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American Sniper .....

American Sniper?

  • I saw it.

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • I liked it.

    Votes: 3 21.4%
  • It was well done.

    Votes: 3 21.4%
  • It should win some Oscars.

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • I did not see it, but plan to.

    Votes: 7 50.0%
  • I did not like it.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • The critics on the left are correct, it glorifies cowardly killing.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • The movie did not live up to all the hype, both good and bad.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No opinion.

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • No choice listed, see my comments.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    14

righteousdude2

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With all the uproar on this movie between the elite far left of Bollywood, I have to ask if you have seen the movie and your thoughts, both good and bad?

The poll is MULTIPLE CHOICE, so choose several responses, and feel free to comment. I have not seen the movie, so I have no opinions on the movie, but the left has the right to voice an opinion. This is why wars are fought and won. The right to speak your mind, even when doing so shows you may have left your brain home for a day.
 
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Zaac

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With all the uproar on this movie between the elite far left of Bollywood, I have to ask if you have seen the movie and your thoughts, both good and bad?

What he wants yall to do is take a position and then when he gets a feel for how the majority of you feel, he will trumpet in accordance.

So I'm gonna say the movie sucked. But it was really good. Wait, maybe it was a masterpiece worthy of an Oscar? Or maybe more deserving of a Razzie?
 

InTheLight

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Haven't seen it but a friend of mine whose opinion I trust said it was great. Typical intense Clint Eastwood movie with high production values.
 

Bro. Curtis

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It leaves the right-and-wrong out of it. It's a story about a sniper who protected his fellow deployed troops.
 

JohnDeereFan

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With all the uproar on this movie between the elite far left of Bollywood, I have to ask if you have seen the movie and your thoughts, both good and bad?

The poll is MULTIPLE CHOICE, so choose several responses, and feel free to comment. I have not seen the movie, so I have no opinions on the movie, but the left has the right to voice an opinion. This is why wars are fought and won. The right to speak your mind, even when doing so shows you may have left your brain home for a day.

I saw it twice. The first time was with my wife, to preview it for my sons, who wanted to see it.

Normally, a movie with that much coarse language would not be allowed in our home, but I made an exception because I wanted my sons to see the characteristics portrayed and celebrated in the movie portrayed in a positive light.

We made a day of it. We saw the movie and then walked across the parking lot and spent a couple of hours at Cabelas.

It's an excellent movie and a fine memorial to an American hero.
 

righteousdude2

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There is an uproar over the film in India?

I should have used Hollywood, not Bollywood. There is a joke going on out on the coast, that Hollywood is so far out there, that it has become foreign to us natives of California, which is why some of us now call it Bollywood! And that comes from a stunt Hollywood types did a few years back when they put a "B" up over the "H" to give recognition to the Bollywood film that was out and pulling in tons of money!
 

Scarlett O.

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I can appreciate the story, but I cannot handle the language. Not that I am a prude, but that foul language used to be one of my problems.

Since turning away from that, I don't like even hearing it. I've had to pass on a lot of really good movies.

From what I understand, it was a good movie.
 

JohnDeereFan

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I can appreciate the story, but I cannot handle the language. Not that I am a prude, but that foul language used to be one of my problems.

Since turning away from that, I don't like even hearing it. I've had to pass on a lot of really good movies.

From what I understand, it was a good movie.

That was an issue for us but, in our case, we made an exception because we thought the message outweighed the coarse language.

I would say that you should just wait until it comes on TV, but the language on TV isn't much better.
 

Zaac

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The opening sequence of the movie, also featured in a trailer, depicts Chris Kyle (Bradley Cooper) with his sights trained on a street in Iraq ahead of a marine convoy. A woman comes out of a house and hands a Russian-made RKG-3 anti-tank grenade to a young boy. She sends the child running towards the convoy. Should Kyle shoot? It’s a tense moment, and the same incident the real Kyle used to open his memoir, American Sniper, on which this film is based. But it has been heightened for the screen. In real life, there was no child, only an adult woman – the film makes her extra-evil by having her send a child to his death. The real Kyle wrote that she had a Chinese grenade. It may have been a smaller hand grenade rather than an anti-tank weapon, which is bigger and easier to see.

Kyle joins the Seals after he watches the 1998 US embassy bombings on TV (in real life, these had nothing to do with his decision).

There is a mostly fictional sniper named Mustafa (Sammy Sheik), a former Olympic marksman, who is mentioned in one paragraph of Kyle’s book but in the film becomes his sharp-shooting, marine-murdering nemesis. In real life, Kyle wrote of Mustafa: “I never saw him, but other snipers later killed an Iraqi sniper we think was him.” In the film, Kyle and Mustafa battle to the death.

Then there’s a fictional terrorist called the Butcher (Mido Hamada), who wears a long black coat and attacks small children with electric drills. The Butcher may be loosely based on Ismail Hafidh al-Lami, known as Abu Deraa, blamed for thousands of deaths in the mid-2000s.
This film alters Kyle’s book significantly, but the reliability of his account may also be open to question. In 2014, wrestler-turned-politician Jesse Ventura won over $1.8m (£1.2m) in damages from Kyle’s estate after a jury decided he had been defamed. Kyle claimed he had punched Ventura in a bar after Ventura said navy Seals “deserved to lose some” for their actions in Iraq. Ventura said he had never even met Kyle. In a separate case, Kyle told a writer he had shot and killed two armed men who attempted to carjack him in Dallas. Reporters were unable to confirm this with county sheriffs and medical examiners, all of whom insisted no such incident had ever taken place. Kyle further claimed that he and another sniper had sat on top of the Superdome in New Orleans during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, and killed 30 armed civilians he thought were making trouble. Again, this story could not be confirmed by any of the relevant authorities.

One investigating journalist wrote in the New Yorker that these tales “portray Kyle as if he really were the Punisher, dispensing justice by his own rules. It was possible to see these stories as evidence of vainglory; it was also possible to see them as attempts by a struggling man to maintain an invincible persona.” Maybe some of these brags were true, and maybe they weren’t. A lot of this film certainly isn’t – and all the complicated questions it leaves out would have made it a much more interesting story than the Bush-era propaganda it shovels in.
All above from http://www.theguardian.com/film/fil...erican-snipers-historical-dishonesty-misleads

Sniper, which follows Navy SEAL Chris Kyle through four tours of duty in Iraq, was quickly embraced by Fox News. Sean Hannity, who’s devoted several segments to the film, said, “I would urge everybody to see it.” Conservative web site Breitbart.com carried an enthusiastic review under the flag-waving headline, “A Patriotic, Pro-War on Terror Masterpiece - See more at: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oscars-american-snipers-hopes-a-765461#sthash.2vbsB2QQ.dpuf

After all those complaints about the inaccuracy of SELMA, I'm amazed that American Sniper with all its inaccuracies has become such a conservative media darling. Guess "conservative America" needed it's white hero in his camouflage to crawl in to make them feel good about themselves.

Accuracy suddenly becomes a non-issue. :laugh:
 

evenifigoalone

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I first heard about it and heard it praised from people who were decidedly liberal.
 
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Don

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Zaac said:
Guess "conservative America" needed it's white hero in his camouflage to crawl in to make them feel good about themselves.
Couldn't just discuss the inaccuracies and/or merits of the film? Had to make it a race issue?

(And I skimmed back through this thread; you're the only to mention race)
 

poncho

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Ross Caputi, a former marine who participated in the US’s second siege of Fallujah, writes that the reason the American Sniper book and film have been so successful is that they “tell us exactly what we want to hear”: that US America is “benevolent” and “righteous”. That, he says, is why the book and film are so popular; their popularity speaks volumes about US society, and signals more danger ahead for the rest of the world.

The killings for which Chris Kyle is idolized, Caputi notes, were perpetrated during his participation in the second US siege of Fallujah, which Caputi, from firsthand knowledge, calls an “atrocity”.

Specifically of the siege, Caputi notes:

Continue . . . http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/former-marine-chris-kyle-american-sniper-social-implications.html

Following the evacuation of civilians, Marines cordoned off the city, even as some residents scrambled to escape. Thirty to fifty thousand people were still inside the city when the U.S. military launched a series of airstrikes, dropping incendiary bombs on suspected insurgent hideouts. Ground forces then combed through targeted neighborhoods house by house. Ross Caputi, who served as a first private Marine during the siege, has said that his squad and others employed “reconnaissance by fire,” firing into dwellings before entering to make sure nobody inside was still alive. Caputi later co-founded the group Justice for Fallujah, which dedicated the week of November 14 to a public awareness campaign about the impact of the war on the city’s people

http://fpif.org/the_under-examined_story_of_fallujah/

I'm wondering if Hollywood will ever make a movie about Ross Caputi to tell his story?

Probably not. It doesn't fit the "we're the good guys" narrative.
 
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